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D2-5U13753 - master pins - please check my understanding

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7 years 3 months ago #168915 by dpendzic

3F6697 bolts are $4.44 ea. at Regal, $10.79 OEM list.


Wow--my parts guy must have really screwed up!! :confused2:

D2, D3, D4, D6, 941B, Cat 15
Hancock Ma and Moriches NY

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7 years 3 months ago #168928 by neil

I've used shim stock before to take up the slop, it doesn't always work. I would try a mix of metric and standard sockets to find one that fits best.


The metric socket route occurred to me today too : )

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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7 years 3 months ago #169195 by neil
Decided to stop burning any more time and picked up a 1 inch rattle gun from the pawn shop (brand new for 99 clams) and rented a compressor. Turned out or broke all the bolts except one whose head is rounded, and another whose head is rusted away. I'll blow those two off. Six out of the fifteen (one missing) came out ok with the torque set on 2 out of 3.



Next is to split the chains. Both master pins are of the equal size plug in each side version, and both have the inner side plug missing. Is there any chance that I can pound the pins out from the inside with the outside plugs in situ? If not, I'll need to gas axe those out as they're all messed up inside the plug

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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7 years 3 months ago #169197 by ccjersey
Can you even get a swing on them from the inside?

Guess there would be no harm trying to drive them out.

If you thought you might salvage the pins, you could try welding a piece of all thread into the plugs and try to pull them. Or you could just get dressed up for sparks and blow the plugs (and the ends of the pin?) out of the link with the torch.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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7 years 3 months ago #169201 by drujinin
I would assume they are tight enough to hold the tracks together all these years?

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7 years 3 months ago #169208 by STEPHEN

Decided to stop burning any more time and picked up a 1 inch rattle gun from the pawn shop (brand new for 99 clams) and rented a compressor. Turned out or broke all the bolts except one whose head is rounded, and another whose head is rusted away. I'll blow those two off. Six out of the fifteen (one missing) came out ok with the torque set on 2 out of 3.



Next is to split the chains. Both master pins are of the equal size plug in each side version, and both have the inner side plug missing. Is there any chance that I can pound the pins out from the inside with the outside plugs in situ? If not, I'll need to gas axe those out as they're all messed up inside the plug


You should be able to drive them out with a long punch without too much trouble, then save them for reference material.

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7 years 3 months ago #169237 by neil
I tried to pound the master pins out from the inside with the bride bucking the outside with a 6' crow bar - it loosened up on the inside rail segment but it still stuck on the outside rail. I'll get my neighbor to help to see if he has any more horsepower than the Boss has, but he's 90# dripping wet so I'm thinking not... : )
Picked up some more oxygen so will give it another shot tonight. Visited the 5U13221 rear end which has great undercarriage but unfortunately is pre-two-piece clutch shaft so is not long enough.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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7 years 3 months ago #169566 by neil
With the help of my eldest, I got the left side master pin out. Since I was unable to remove the broken-off bolt inside the plug, I blew out the plug with the gas axe. I still had to pound it out though. I cut the end off my 5' crow bar and ground the end flat, then passed it through the other side idler and into the inside of the left side master pin. I had my kid hold the drawbar swing quadrant against the outside rail but it wasn't enough, so I jammed an old cylinder head up against the quadrant too, and that was enough to break the bond between pin and link. Took about 20 hits with the big pounder to get it out.
Next I used the lawnmower to drag the track out of the garage, rolled it up, and used my cheap HF shop crane to move it aside. Then my helper and I removed the track frame which, like everything on this tractor, fought until the end. I put the 12t jack in between the frame and final drive, put some load on it, then wiggle the frame up and down. Took about an hour.... During that process I saw that the frame with rear roller installed would not clear the sprocket sitting on its usual angle. I also noticed that the sprocket was loose, so I spun the nut off by hand and removed the sprocket, put a drain pan under the shaft and finished up for the night. In the morning I saw that the seal had kind of sprung out on one side - hopefully it's not damaged.

The sealing surface on the bellows seal looks ok and about an eighth thick. Is it still serviceable?
Also, the track frame is very wasted from rust. I know I can start welding chunks on to the frame to try to regain some strength but is it worth it? I've put an ad out for a replacement set of frames but with no takers so I'm assuming I'm going to have to make do with these ones until a good parts machine shows up. I have the longer frames congruent with the two-piece clutch shaft - 33 links. The rails are over 100% and I have a good parts machine with 31 link rails and frames - can I acquire two more links to lengthen that 31 link rail suitable for this tractor?

Severe wasting:


Seal popped out:


Dry frame:


Carrier roller pedestal barely holding on:




Master pin 2F2565 - I can reuse this if I can pick up some new plugs 6B5281:


Gas-axed plug 6B5281:


Attempting to remove broken studs. Just about every stud / bolt / nut on this unit is seized:


The 3J's cylinder head is mostly back together. Just waiting on a clean up inside the 3 old chambers, clean up the cylinders with a hone, and a new head gasket. I do have new pistons and liners for this unit but I want to clean up the existing liners and see what it runs like. If it's acceptable, I'd rather get as much use out of the old liners as I can before switching in the new ones. They're no longer manufactured.


Obligatory crack just aft of the idler:


More wasting near the spring seat pocket:




Hopefully the link ID and the frame shaft will clean up ok. The area of the shaft nearest the final assembly is rust-pitted so I'll have to see how close the seal bears near it. If it does, I'll see what size speedi-sleeve over quickmetal will fit:




Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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7 years 3 months ago #169671 by neil
Is there any particular trick to sliding the final assembly off the pivot shaft and dowels? I've been wiggling the assembly up and down with a jack and it does move on the rear side but the front side near the pivot shaft seems firmly stuck. I removed 13 bolts (one long, rest short) but it seems to be hung up at the front. There is movement between the pivot shaft and the assembly. It's not hung up on the steering clutch or brake.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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7 years 3 months ago #169673 by Garlic Pete
You've been far enough into these that you're more current and experienced than me. I can't remember the bolt count any more, but I had the same situation as you and eventually found one more bolt way up underneath in a cavity in the casting behind the pivot shaft and in front of the final bull gear case. That cavity on my early 3J was so packed with old dirt and mud that it was hard like concrete and almost looked like a part of the casting.

Once I triple checked the parts manual and counted the bolt holes, I found the one I missed and mine came apart. I doubt you'll have my problem though, because you've had these types of D2 finals apart recently.

If it isn't a missed bolt, it is likely that your steering clutch teeth are hanging up in the drums. As I'm sure you've seen, the teeth sometimes wear little hollows in the splines of the drum. When trying to separate the final case, the teeth hang up in the hollows and won't let the final case come outward. The solution I applied was to pull the steering clutch lever and work the sprocket back and forth while prying or shaking the final case.

The steering clutch lever can still reach the release bellcrank until the case moves out a bit. Once it gets to that point, you can reach in the crack and push the release yoke with a bar. I've had one that I had to shake, wiggle and pry and it fought me every step of the way. It kind of seems like finesse works better here than force though. I can't say for sure, but I think holding the clutch released, then jerking the sprocket one way while jostling the final case, then jerking the sprocket the other way while still jostling allowed those teeth to hop from one hollow to the next and soon had it working off.

Hopefully this is helpful,

Pete.

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