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1 year 6 months ago #247727 by Fat Dan
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All very knowledgeable suggestions. 
No pop on either, no smoke out of the exhaust 🤔 humm
Intake could be plugged, rat's nest or dirty air filter filled with water .... No air getting past.
Check by bypassing filter.
Check decompression linkage from the detent under the valve cover to the handle. Make double sure the linkage is working properly.
We are not there so all we can do is make educated guess and suggestions, please be patient  we'll get there.
 It is harder to bleed the lines at the injection nozzle  so just one should be satisfactory to see if fuel is getting through the line to the injection nozzle.

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1 year 6 months ago #247728 by Steve A
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no smoke no fuel,

Very important NEVER put your finger over an injector line. Dangerous move.
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1 year 6 months ago - 1 year 6 months ago #247730 by LeonelLiao
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You speak from personal experience? You just sound so confident as if you have already tried it, if I'm right, I feel sorry for you.
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1 year 6 months ago - 1 year 6 months ago #247733 by trainzkid88
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NEVER PUT YOUR FINGER OR ANY PART OF YOUR BODY OVER A FUEL PORT ON A INJECTION PUMP! you can get a very serious high pressure injury. it could even be fatal(very rare but its possible).
bleeding should always be done using the bleed valves. its what there there for! also its easy to damage the threads on fuel lines.

i second the advice remover the pump side cover and make sure the rack is moving freely and full travel. a couple of squirts of your preferred possum piss will help there is o hole in the rack rod you can poke a pin punch into to work the rack back and forward by hand. have the governor full open when you do this.

todays diesel will still last decades the problem always has been contamination with moisture and dirt then it can grow diesel bug. but that is treatable. with fuel additives to kill it and then filtration to remove it. all fuel storage should have moisture separating filters for this reason.
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1 year 6 months ago #247735 by Ray54
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On the back side of the injector housing each pump has a dedicated bleeder valve. It has a oval head. Cat supplied a wrench with each machine. It was a a L shape with the oval on each end. Sorry I am not able to show a picture. But a good chance your tractors has been lost it. In latter years Cat sold a 1/4 inch drive socket to loosen them. There is a thread on the board about taking a cheap junk socket and smashing it with a hammer.

The original L wrench only gives a quarter turn, then turn it over to the other orientation, and another 1/4 turn. The reason we generally only loosen the line nuts. All described in the operators and mountainous manual.

But with modern fuel and all, do as others suggest and make sure pumps are moving. Since you can stop fuel with your finger it leads me to think you have air in the pumps yet.
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1 year 6 months ago #247743 by wanglow
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Rack moves freely. bled all air up to the injectors.........baffling...........just doesn't seem to be that complicated. I'm showing no fuel pressure on the gauge but when I'm running the pony fuel does leak out of the nuts when I crack them. Someone mentioned not to put a finger over the injector pump; I did and there seems to be little pressure on the fuel squirting out; should there be a great deal of pressure here and if so why don't my pumps put out. They are all free and getting fuel.

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1 year 6 months ago #247744 by neil
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There's not much pressure out of the pumps when the lines are disconnected. The pressure is a combination of the pump and the injection nozzle that has a spring seat that the pressure must rise to overcome. This is the case with these old Cat pumps but not necessarily so with other types, so the guidance to avoid doing that is sound. Can't remember if there's a check valve in the top of the pump which could contribute to some pressure but nothing like injection pressure. That said, you finding that there is not much pressure is too subjective to be much help, unless you can get some gauge readings. Even with a severe blockage, you will probably get some fuel so the procedure I use is to start at the beginning of the fuel cycle (the tank) and methodically work forward eliminating potential sources of problems. If you really want to work backwards, remove an injection valve, turn it upside down and reconnect it to the line and run the pony. If working correctly, it would spray a fine mist (stay out of the way of that if it does and don't breathe it). I suspect you won't see that which means you're not building sufficient pressure to crack the injection valve. Work methodically backwards to find why it's not getting the supply. It could be a regular blockage - my tractor's lines were 90% choked and I doubt it would have run if I tried before refurbishing it. It could be choked filters, it could be a broken transfer pump shaft. It could also be that your timing is out, could be blocked intake, decompression lever not working as expected, many things

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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1 year 6 months ago #247747 by greengiant

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1 year 6 months ago #247755 by trainzkid88
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you may have bad injectors. it could be worth while doing as neal suggests and remove a injector fit it upside down and check the spray pattern against a sheet of paper it should be a nice cone shape and even misting on the paper if it dribble or drips thats not right and the injectors, pump or lift pump(transfer) need servicing repeat with each injector if only one does it swap it with another if the problem follows its that injector if it doesnt its that pump.

any good diesel injection service should be able to rebuild those injectors and the pumps for you. they only need the data sheet for the injection system. the service book for the engine itself has that info.
it could also be the fuel pressure guage is faulty.
check the decomp is working to do this remove a rocker cover and work the lever you should see it working.

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1 year 6 months ago #247756 by trainzkid88
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start with the basics have you changed the fuel filters. have you cleaned the stop cock on the fuel tank and the fuel pipe to the engine. that can be a problem.

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