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Barndominium with shop space for my equipment, need ideas for floor fixtures.
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1 year 8 months ago #246313
by ETD66SS
C&C Equipment on YT is where I got the I-Beams cast into the slab idea from. He mentioned they are 8 inch beams.
I'm almost liking the used conveyer belt idea better. I won't have a shop like his because mine is for personal tinkering only. So a temporary solution like the conveyer belt might make more sense.
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1 year 8 months ago #246317
by Rome K/G
The railroad rails and "I" beams are ok for D7's to D11's but not necessary for smaller crawlers.
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1 year 8 months ago #246318
by mog5858
one other thing to think about is heating and cooling. take a 5 min look into passive solar. it dose work well and no it's not some fancy solar panels it's has to with your building orientation. some decisions made now will you be stuck with for life more or less. rafter choice and over hang
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #246323
by ETD66SS
I plan to go with radiant floor heat using NG to heat the glycol. The roof will be about 15 degrees off from due south. Solar panels have a lot of local restrictions here. All my shop doors face south and I don't like windows in a shop so not really wanting passive solar.
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1 year 8 months ago #246326
by neil
Radiant floor is a good approach because the air temp can be considerably lower if the floor is warm, and besides, air is very leaky, particularly in a building with large openings like a shop has so all those heating $ go out the door. Radiation on the other hand can pretty much be contained with good interior lining. Are you planning to put in generous amounts of under-slab and perimeter rigid insulation? I read an article in Fine Homebuilding about the value of going with higher R-values on the perimeter insulation especially as that's apparently the route a relatively large proportion of heat takes, and the fact that for square footage, the perimeter is much less than the under-slab.
I like the idea of used conveyor belting, thanks for recommending it team. The fact that it's thin but robust, can easily be moved to where it's needed and even put out of the way when it's not needed, and that it still presents a flat surface ok for rolling shop equipment round on checks a lot of boxes.
For others that might be interested, passive solar and other building approaches that maximize "free" energy have a really good payback and become essentially free. It can make a huge difference in the running costs of all different types of buildings, not just houses. Number one ROI is insulation coupled with a tight envelope and air to air energy recovery to maintain air quality are the three no-brainers for a new build, and can often be retrofitted too. The first two are in the building code already so it's just a matter of how much insulation you want based on your zone, and of course the capability of the builder to construct it correctly, which is not as likely as it should be for a lot of builders.
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Neil
Pittsford, NY
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1 year 8 months ago #246327
by ETD66SS
Right now my design has 2" XPS foam under slab and 1" at the perimeter. But may consider 2" along the skirt board and 1" on the face of just the posts for higher perimeter R-Value.
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1 year 8 months ago #246328
by ctsnowfighter
Radiant Floor Heat -
Concrete floor with radiant heat has its problems too --- corrosion if not carefully monitored will cause problems. Electrolysis can play havoc too.
Expansion and contraction between summer and winter will play a part too, concrete moves, does not take a lot to cause a leak and that is a chore to repair
I worked in facilities with radiant heat through the floors --- one facility used in excess of 500 gallons of diesel a day in two boilers. Floor was hot - but you certainly were not hot in the building!
Another had electric grid in floors - I was told that facility used enough electricity in one month to heat an all electric home for 5 years in same location!
Radiant floor heat takes a long time to heat up and then must be kept flowing - you do not have great immediate climate control.
Research that well before you commit. Boilers, Pumps, chemicals, are all additions that you should figure into the equations along with the price of NG.
CTS
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1 year 8 months ago #246329
by dpendzic
I would consider WF beams instead of I beams (now called S shapes}--they have a much wider top flange and structurally they are more efficient--you don't see much of them used in building and bridges anymore
D2, D3, D4, D6, 941B, Cat 15
Hancock Ma and Moriches NY
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #246330
by ETD66SS
ctsnowfighter post=246328 userid=9709Radiant Floor Heat -
Concrete floor with radiant heat has its problems too --- corrosion if not carefully monitored will cause problems. Electrolysis can play havoc too.
Expansion and contraction between summer and winter will play a part too, concrete moves, does not take a lot to cause a leak and that is a chore to repair
I worked in facilities with radiant heat through the floors --- one facility used in excess of 500 gallons of diesel a day in two boilers. Floor was hot - but you certainly were not hot in the building!
Another had electric grid in floors - I was told that facility used enough electricity in one month to heat an all electric home for 5 years in same location!
Radiant floor heat takes a long time to heat up and then must be kept flowing - you do not have great immediate climate control.
Research that well before you commit. Boilers, Pumps, chemicals, are all additions that you should figure into the equations along with the price of NG.
CTS
Not sure what you mean by corrosion. The pex tubing in the floor is plastic. And as far as the thermal mass issue, you should not expect radiant heat to be highly responsive in concrete as it is say in Warmboard. Anyways, radiant floor heat is the best way to go in my climate, it's just that it's the most expensive.
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1 year 8 months ago #246331
by ETD66SS
I would consider WF beams instead of I beams (now called S shapes}--they have a much wider top flange and structurally they are more efficient--you don't see much of them used in building and bridges anymore
Yeah, they would be W-beams if I were to go that route.
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