Could I get around the indexing on the lever housing by using a drive end housing with the 3 sets of 4 holes to give me more mounting positions. I know I saw pictures of these 12 hole drive end housings on your site.Do they still make them?

Johnstone

Don't know, never tried it. The twelve hole DEH's are for the 40MT starter. They will fit the 42MT starter but you loose the O-ring sealing feature. I can only advise on the correct parts as there is a very limited space to work with to clear the pony clutch housing.

Just when you think you got all your bases covered,something always seems to jump up and bite you on the butt! Needless to say this wrong lever housing thing was on my mind last night before I finally got to sleep.
I hate to send that 42MT back, so I'm going to try a 12 hole DEH. The way things have been going lately on this project, I'm due for a little good luck...who knows maybe it will work and I'll be breaking new ground.
I ordered a 12 hole DEH from Triodide [stock #12011]. It looks like it has the 145* indexing and basically the same as the one I got now but with the 12 holes instead of 6. It also does not have the O-ring seal, but triodiode sell a gasket that sits inside the lever housing and the DEH seals up against it.
Old Magnet, thanks for all your help. As always you come through with the needed info.

Johnstone

What is the number on the starter? If it's not the correct one you should send it back. Who did you get it from?

Looks like you wound up with a "P" housing arrangement and you need the "S" version.
"S" being the smaller increment version.

I have a 40MT DEH here that I will take a look at for fit, at least eyeball it anyway.

Adding a gasket may change some clearances, I'd have to investigate.

For your confusion.....see attached:

Hey Old Magnet,

I got the starter on ebay. Seller's name is crank-n-charge. If you search for the number 10478998 it comes up.
Yeah mine is definitely a "P" housing arraingement....I guess I had a 50/50 shot. I could send it back and I have 30 business days to do it....I guess it's like my wife says that I'm too stubborn to admit that I didn't do enough research and ordered the wrong one.
Were you trying to increase or decrease my confusion with your attachment? I'm gonna have to print that up after supper and see if I can make some sense of it.

Johnstone

I have a "P" housing here and tried out a fit with the 40MT 12 hole DEH. Appears bolting wise it will work with indexing comeing out the same as the correct parts. Will still have to do the same amount of notching (just enough to get a thin wall 5/8" 12-pt box wrench on the 5/8" 12-pt cap screw). The bolt itself clears but needs provision to turn it. This bolt needs to be on the DEH when you assemble.

What I was not able to check is what affect if any the 40MT gasket would have on the yoke travel that engages/disengages the drive. This however can be adjusted if need be. Might also consider just using a light coat of RTV sealant instead. Armature thrust is handled at the back side of the lever housing so ok there.

I hate doing cobb jobs but in this case it may all work out and be a solution to converting "P" type lever housing starters instead of rebuilding with correctly matched parts for the "S" configuration.

If you have the unit furthur apart, check the field case for the double mounting pattern that allows either type lever housing to be mounted. Early units used a different case for the two style lever housings....pic attached.



Does that starter you have got a number on it? If you post I'm sure I can track down what it is.

www.ebay.com/itm/230900216949?ssPageName...id=p3984.m1497.l2649 That's great that the 12 hole DEH looks like it will fit like the correct parts' Here's the one I ordered today from Triodiode..
As far as the gasket is concerned I'd have no problem using a little RTV sealant instead we'll see what happens. Here's what the gasket looks like... www.ebay.com/itm/350432199971?ssPageName...id=p3984.m1497.l2649
The starter is made by WPS, World Power Systems.Model...6370N, 24V, serial# AD12A1, and this number was etched on the body..AD12A101850.
Thanks again for all your help. It's just amazing how intricate things become when you start looking below the surface.
I hope the 2 links I inserted above come out OK...this is my first attempt.

Johnstone

I looked up that Chinese Starter site.....appears they mix both LH and RH starter applications in to one list as though they are interchangeable. Checked the Delco Remy and old RCP aftermarket sites and they both list the correct 10476030 lever housing for a 10478998 starter.
I'd raise hell with that supplier and return the starter (supplier pays freight) or cancell payment if it's not to late. Buyer beware, especially with that Chinese crap.

Yeah, it seems like that chinese crap is everywhere.When I first started to look for a starter I went to a nearby Delco-Remy distributer and was quoted a price of $426.04 plus shipping for a 10478998. I even asked the guy if they were made in the US and he said he wasn't sure.
THE 40mt DEH should be here in a few days. I'm gonna put 3 studs in the Bell housing and see if I can get that starter to slide in the way it should.If it does I'll see how much relief grinding I have to do and if it does not fit I'll have to see about sending it back. I already payed for it.
I'm going to get mounting bolts from McMaster-Carr. I believe they are 1/2 13 thread....and how long should they be?

Johnstone

You might want to see about leaving the studs in the clutch housing and see if that would allow you better working clearance than a bolt. Don't know if the top hole could be used with stud and a full sized nut vs a captive 12 point head bolt.