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Cat 22 rescue

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241867 by tkgeorge99
Cat 22 rescue was created by tkgeorge99
So I posted a bit about this in another discussion on alternative starting methods for cat 22 but here it goes again. Perhaps to a broader audience.  
This cat 22 was abandoned in the woods in the late 90's a few properties over from us. We discovered it around 2008. Covered in a disintegrated tarp and buried in pack rat nests. Fast forward to Sept 2022, thru quirk of fate owner of property, approached me and said i could have machine. After a day of uncovering, cleaning, and prep work I was able to get it to fire up and run on priming fuel. Had to have carb rebuilt  and a few other issues taken care of. 
yesterday was the big day of trying to drive it out of woods. It's down a big hill and about 1/2 mile to get to our house. I did a bunch of cutting etc to make a path to get out. Got machine running and only the right track is getting power. Not so good.  I tried forward a d back, working track clutches and brakes.  No luck. I opened brake adjustment  compartments  and noticed that the left one had a bunch of oily gravy. Looked in book, says it should be dry. Drained it and dumped in solvent like it recommended to clean clutches. Sure enough, now left track will work. 
got partway up big hill and machine lost power and stalls. Not good. Chalked it and lowered blade. Got it restarted and now right track isn't turning. Dumped some solvent in that side. Success, both tracks turning ok.  It took nearly 6 hours to get it home. So quite an adventure but made it out. A fun family activity.

So some questions:
1.on hills, engine bogs down. Is that normal? It made it but I had to clutch in a few times to let rpms increase. I feel like it shouldn't do this. I feel like tracks are too tight, I will adjust. Just looking for input on this issue. 
​​​​​​2. Sometimes when I start it in neutral, I can't shift into gear cause it grinds. If I start in gear with clutch in, shifting no problem. And once it's running, I can go from gear to neutral and back into gear no problem.  What needs adjusting?

 
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2 years 3 weeks ago #241868 by tkgeorge99
Replied by tkgeorge99 on topic Cat 22 rescue
Any cat 22 experts, please chime in with your expertise. I have book but some parts aren't clear. Thoughts on track clutches, main clutch, whatever.... I'm looking to put this machine back to work. Thanks
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2 years 3 weeks ago #241869 by bruce oz
Replied by bruce oz on topic Cat 22 rescue
hello , the clutch housing just might need a good wask out ,you might get lucky and it just oily in there .
depend which fuel tank your using ? if using big tank fuel pump may not be working eought to pump fuel at higher revs ,i used the little tank and kept full ,gravity feed to carbie , little hole in fuel cap clean ?
looks like a nice little cat

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241870 by neil
Replied by neil on topic Cat 22 rescue
If you think the tracks are tight, it could be two things; the tracks really are too tight so should be loosened, or the pins and bushes are rusted up internally. An approx guide to good tension is to lay a board across the top of the tracks from the idler to the sprocket. The track sag under the board should be a couple of inches or so. However, before adjusting, I would drive the tractor along while having someone pour water over the tracks with the goal of soaking the pins and bushings internally. That will loosen up the rust and let it wash out. What you may find then is that the tracks become "looser", perhaps even back to correct adjustment, thus avoiding the need to adjust twice. If you could drive it along in say 4-5 inches of water (such as along a river bed, that would make it a lot easier and effective to soak the pins and bushings

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241871 by Deas Plant.
Replied by Deas Plant. on topic Cat 22 rescue
Hi, tkgeorge99.
Good catch - looks like a pretty clean machine and the hydraulic dozer and winch are a bonus.

Neil's idea of pouring water over the tracks while driving is a good one but it is a LOTTTT easier if you can drive it repeatedly back and forth through a puddle a few inches deep. Just don't get it bogged or the fun will begin.

I have a bit of a soft spot for 22s. My parents had one on the family farm and it was the first tractor I ever got to operate by my ownsome. It had a dozer blade that was raised and lowered by a hand windlass which was no use for grading but i spent some very pleasant hours flattening scrub and pushing fire heaps together. It had previously been converted to remote control via ropes from a harvester and so the clutch control was a hand lever which you pulled back to disengage the clutch. I was 11 years old.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241873 by tkgeorge99
Replied by tkgeorge99 on topic Cat 22 rescue
Thanks for replies. Is the best way to clean clutch to take off cover down by flywheel? I guess I'm not sure where to access. To clean, brake cleaner? I think clutch pedal needs adjustment as well.

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241874 by Kurt Bangert
Replied by Kurt Bangert on topic Cat 22 rescue
Or make a bath out of a tarp and 2x6 and let them soak a section at a time.

The Main clutch - I'd run it and see if it doesn't free up a bit. something is keeping the trans main shaft turning and if may take a minute to de-spooge it.

Bogging - some would be normal depending on hill and gear you're in. Otherwise, I'd look at plugs, points, timing and if you're getting enough fuel flow.

Looks like a great machine - I look forward to updates and pics!

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241875 by tkgeorge99
Replied by tkgeorge99 on topic Cat 22 rescue
As far as cleaning tracks? How bout penetrating oil on the pins? I know is says not to lube tracks but the pins?
Good point about tracks, they might just need a workout to loosen up. But I did drive it a half mile and they seem tight. No sag at all.
Engine runs super sweet but I'm worried about the bogging down on hills. Less useful if it can't climb. I feel like in first gear it shouldn't have any trouble

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241876 by Kurt Bangert
Replied by Kurt Bangert on topic Cat 22 rescue
Water will loosen your tracks better than penetrating oil, especially if ran or soaked in it.

You might need or want to adjust the main clutch if running it a bit doesn't help.

I'd check timing, and other ignition components. Also fuel delivery.

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2 years 3 weeks ago #241877 by tkgeorge99
Replied by tkgeorge99 on topic Cat 22 rescue
How do I adjust main clutch? Which access hatch?

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