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Cat twenty two timing.

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5 years 11 months ago #193560 by 55BelairDan
I recently got the 22 my great great grandfather purchased new in 1935. It has been sitting in a shop for the last 25 years not touched. I got it home and started to try and get it to run. I rebuilt the carb and fuel pump. The magnito had been swapped out sometime in the 60s with a bendix scintilla and had no spark. I didn't have much luck finding any parts for it, or anyone that would work on it. So I got a rebuilt wico xh184. I cant get anything more than some backfires trying to start it. I have it timed on the compression stroke on #1 and the "mag" line on the front pulley is lined up as the manual says. This is the first magnito I have messed with just wondering if I have something wrong? Thanks for any help!
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5 years 11 months ago #193563 by Steve A
Replied by Steve A on topic Cat twenty two timing.
Welcome to the ACMOC BB,

Its cool to get a piece of Family History from Grandpa.

When timing a mag you have to consider if the impulse has tripped, If you think you have it right (with the plugs out) rotate #1 to just before TDC and advance slowly while watching closely,the impulse should trip very close to TDC. After it trips back the engine up about 1 inch past the mag timing mark, then slowly move forward and watch the points, they should open as the mag mark lines up. Myself I use a buzz box that lets me know when the points open. If this checks out double check the firing order. Make sure the #1 cylinder wire is at the post on the mag where the rotor is and then the rest in sequence.


If your confident timing is good and you have spark, I would use the priming cocks or plugs to add a teaspoon of fuel , if the intake has internal leaks it wont suck in a fuel charge.

Let us know how you make out.

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5 years 11 months ago #193564 by Bruce P
Replied by Bruce P on topic Cat twenty two timing.
Welcome, that’s a dandy looking 22!


Thanks for the pictures

BP.

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5 years 11 months ago #193566 by 55BelairDan
Replied by 55BelairDan on topic Cat twenty two timing.
So when I slowly turn it over the impulse clicks right before tdc. And when I roll the motor back the to the mag mark the mag is in the window for the #1 wire and the points are open just a little bit. Does this sound correct? I have squirted some gas in priming valve in intake also.
Thank you for the help!

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5 years 11 months ago #193571 by Norm R2,22
Replied by Norm R2,22 on topic Cat twenty two timing.
On some mags you set the engine at TDC on compression at #1 cylinder and rotate the mag until the impulse trips and lock it down. If the mag is bolted, and the coupler is what does the timing, the coupler is rotated until the mag trips. You want it to trip at TDC. The impulse takes care of the advance for running. Any spark before TDC will cause a kick back. With a correctly timed impulse, you can pull the engine over slowly and it will still fire off.

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5 years 11 months ago #193572 by 55BelairDan
Replied by 55BelairDan on topic Cat twenty two timing.
Ok I'll try this tomorrow after work thank you!

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5 years 11 months ago #193573 by edb
Replied by edb on topic Twenty Two OMI Book
Hi Dan,
welcome to the BB.
Just in case you do not have this publication I Googled Caterpillar Twenty Two magneto timing and came up with the link below--sometimes Google is your friend.

www.angelfire.com/home/cat22/book/manual.html

Some kind person has copied and posted the Grey Twenty Two Tractor Operation and Maintenance Instruction Book.
I suggest you copy and print it out as it could disappear by the next time you need some data.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.

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5 years 11 months ago #193576 by drujinin
Replied by drujinin on topic Cat twenty two timing.
If it is popping back out the Intake, this tells me the wires are out of order.
Its early in the morning for me to rattle off the correct wire to cylinder sequence.
All the little Gas Cats have the same firing order 10, 15, 20, 22.

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5 years 11 months ago #193577 by biggastractor
Replied by biggastractor on topic 22
55belairdan,

Welcome to the BB. Pm me your email and I will send you electronic versions of the CAT 22 books. I see you're from Minnesota. Whereabouts? Our MN ACMOC chapter 3 is running strong but we always welcome new members.

Bioggastractor

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5 years 11 months ago #193580 by 55BelairDan
Replied by 55BelairDan on topic Cat twenty two timing.
I have it at 1 3 4 2 #1 in front of motor. I think that's correct?

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