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Any reasons not to go to electric start and remove the pony?
Any reasons not to go to electric start and remove the pony?
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8 years 9 months ago #138643
by ag-mike
According to the parts manual and operators instructions there was a direct electric start option, with a 32 volt motor. I'm amazed at the detailed drawings and wealth of information in those old books.
Still looking, but I still haven't found where it mounts. Where are you seeing the cover plate?
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8 years 9 months ago #138705
by neil
I'd give a thought or two to the idea of a diesel pony motor. Any good machine shop could put two bearings where the pony motor used to be, and from there run a tumbling bar to a little Lister or something easy to start on 12V. Keep the flywheel with clutch, starter drive and pinion, etc. I'd do it myself if I was there just because it sounds interesting! Oh, one other thing: I'd shave about 30# off that flywheel for this ap.
A Yanmar 2-cyl would make an excellent diesel pony. There are "millions" of them out there - every refrigerated reefer has one and parts are fully available. Runs about 14hp. It has about the same dimensions as the upright gas pony. I have a 3-cyl in my lawnmower at 22hp and it is trouble-free - hasn't been touched since build date of 1988. Runs at 3400 rpm.
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Neil
Pittsford, NY
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8 years 9 months ago #138712
by mrsmackpaul
A Yanmar 2-cyl would make an excellent diesel pony. There are "millions" of them out there - every refrigerated reefer has one and parts are fully available. Runs about 14hp. It has about the same dimensions as the upright gas pony. I have a 3-cyl in my lawnmower at 22hp and it is trouble-free - hasn't been touched since build date of 1988. Runs at 3400 rpm.
That would be the type of thing I would be thinking about would were ever this motor is need water to be passed thru pilot motor to pre heat the main motor
Lister made a CS model of motor CS means cold start wind the knobs one way and the combustion chamber is a lot smaller to get it fire bellow freezing once its run for a minute or so just wind the knobs back out and its on low compression and they are water cooled and come in lots of sizes from 5 hp to 50 or 60 hp or Lister make the same thing in air cooled as well all of these can be started by hand fine the bigger ones take a bit of swinging as a bit to get them rolling but they are great old goers
other makes Lombardini ??? dunno about my spelling Yanmar as Neil said what are the GM air cooled ones called I think may have been copied from Deutz theres lots of small units and never know maybe able to fit it in close on the main motor were the pilot motor goes but I guess what Im trying to say there is lots of options out there which ever way you choose to go
Paul
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8 years 9 months ago #139034
by cjrampley
Finally got a better picture of the starboard side of the flywheel housing. First chance to get on the boat since last week. Hopefully this confirms there is a cover plate for a starter installation.
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8 years 9 months ago #139044
by 657cat
Yup that should be a starter cover plate
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8 years 9 months ago #139056
by Old Magnet
Yes, set up for SAE #3 drive end housing. Will most likely require spacer plate like ag-mike shows to get proper drive tooth engagement when going to the Delco 50MT starter. Better to have the engagement solenoid above the starter center line if possible. Later models have internal seal and boot so that oil does not accumulate in the solenoid. Older models don't have that feature.
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8 years 9 months ago #139088
by ag-mike
Yes, set up for SAE #3 drive end housing. Will most likely require spacer plate like ag-mike shows to get proper drive tooth engagement when going to the Delco 50MT starter. Better to have the engagement solenoid above the starter center line if possible. Later models have internal seal and boot so that oil does not accumulate in the solenoid. Older models don't have that feature.
oil from where? flywheel housing?
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8 years 9 months ago #139104
by Old Magnet
Yes Mike, with those cork screw rear mains there's a pretty good chance of some nasty stuff in the flywheel housing that can migrate to the starter. I've seen them so gummed up the starter couldn't engage. Oil clutch versions can also be a problem if not properly sealed.
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8 years 9 months ago #139130
by ag-mike
Yes Mike, with those cork screw rear mains there's a pretty good chance of some nasty stuff in the flywheel housing that can migrate to the starter. I've seen them so gummed up the starter couldn't engage. Oil clutch versions can also be a problem if not properly sealed.
i thought it was standard practice to remove the flywheel housing drain plug or make it drain somehow, maybe not with tractors? my genset and d4s plugs r gone. thanks
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