Hi, DerekOpperud.
Welkum too ther 4um.

NICE catch. That machine looks very well cared for. Congratulations.

In your 3rd photo. you can see 3 bolt holes in the down-sloping section of the frame, one up close to the top of the sloping section and two further down. It could just be my ole eyes, but I think I see what could be a rivet about 1/2-way between the single hole and the pair of holes. That is the approximate area where a serial # tag would likely have been. I did not see a tag there but the number should also be stamped into the frame around that location. If you can find the rivets or the rivet holes, it should be between those.

In your 4th photo, there appears to be a small flat area on the 3rd cylinder just behind the heat exchanger and ahead of the oil filler. Again, it could be my old eyes - or an over-active imagination - but I think I see some rivet marks there. I suggest that you try cleaning both of those areas off to look for your serial #.

There izza LOTTTA information the tech. library about these jiggers, including a lengthy scribbling by some 'know-it-all' type who had once sat his favorite rump steak on a couple of them and thought he had some of it 'figgered' out.

Happy getting to know your new toy. This link may help you - please note that I ONLY said, "may".

www.acmoc.org/bb/search?query=adjustment...te=all&childforums=1

Just my 0.02.

Hi, Evans.
It is very likely WW2 era and probably ex-U.S. Army or Seabees. Likely someone with more exact information will come along and blow me out of the water.

There is a lot of information, both on the BB and in the Tech, library about maintaining and adjusting these old girls. If you have the 'good oil', there izza LOTTT that you can do to make them easier to work with - - - and easier on your favourite lunch hooks.

You might like to take a wander through some of this stuff.

www.acmoc.org/bb/search?query=adjustment...ldforums=1&catids=35

Just my 0.02.

Hi, Folks.

Adjustment instructions for pre-hydraulic Caterpillar gear-controlled graders.

Here are the 'destructions' for adjusting blade lift controls on older Cat gear-controlled graders.

Firstly, for those looking to achieve a quick fix for worn dog clutches in the control box itself, there AIN'T one. If you want to restore your dog clutches to like-new condition, you need to do one of two things:

a. Buy new ones - 100% reliable.

b. Have them rebuilt and ground back to NEW specs - less reliable as you need first to get hold of the technical data relating to correct pitches, etc., then find an engineering shop that can do it properly.

Some people try grinding them back with an angle grinder. This MAY(????) make an improvement but will NOT return them to new condition.

You can also do a switch-around of the dog clutches in the control box so that you end up with less worn clutches on the blade lift control shafts. This DOES take a bit of brain work as you MUST keep correct track of which clutches are turning which way to do whatever it is that they do so that you do get the less worn faces doing the work by facing toward the rotation direction of each shaft. Remember that the rotation direction of each shaft is the opposite of its neighbors on either side. The only ones that you can't switch are the circle reverse pair 'cos they have the bevel gears which drive all the rest from the vertical input shaft.

The output shafts from the control box, are held (more or less, depending on wear) firmly in place when the control lever is released by the "combination shifter fork and brake", which is inside the power control box (the big housing in front of your knees when sitting in the seat that has all the control levers attached to it).

There are two brake plates, which are contained within the shifter fork itself, and a HEAP of small coil springs that push these two brake plates apart when the control lever returns to the released position. This holds the control output shaft in a "braked" position, when the control lever isn't being pushed or pulled.

For some strange reason(????), these brake plates wear after a lot work and/or the coil springs weaken, causing the braking action to weaken allowing the control shafts to turn when load is applied to the other end of the drive-line. All the control levers and drive shafts use the same "combination shifter fork and brake", so you may be able to swap the various shifter fork and brake mechanisms to other positions, and replace the more used and worn ones with less-worn ones, as a "quick fix". Failing that, you will need to dismantle the shifter fork and brake mechanism and replace the springs and possibly the brake plates, with better, or new ones.

I have never seen a 70D Cat 12E as they were American-built. We had the 17K DowNunder which was the DowNunder-built equivalent of the 70D/71D while the earlier 99E was the U.S. equivalent of the DowNunder 21F Cat 12E The later 21F/99E machines and the 17K/70D machines had a small brake arrangement on the front of the blade lift output shaft in front of the control box. It IS possible to have this brake adjusted too tight. So long as the linings are in reasonable condition, these brakes gave very little trouble, at least in my experience.

First step for the rest of the adjustments - remove the inspection plugs on top of each Hi-lift gear case - the big round cases on each side of the front face of the cab. Then loosen the clamp bolts on the lift arms at the front ends of the lift shafts and remove the keys from the blade lift arms. Now slowly rotate the hi-lift gear inspecting it as it turns to find the least worn section which will be around 1/3 of its total circumference. When you have found the least worn section, which should be at the top if you are looking at that section, mark the top of the lift shaft and turn that mark to the bottom. This should leave you with a keyway facing pretty much horizontally outward ready to accept the lift arm key again.

When the mark is at the bottom, replace the key in the lift arm in the nearest keyway that lines up - there should be 3 keyways in the shaft - tighten the clamp bolts and replace the inspection plug in the top of the gear case.

Second step - locate the blade lift pinion at the bottom of the Hi-lift gear case - it is the smaller round part of the Hi-lift gear case running across the bottom of the main case. In most models of Cat grader with the gear lift system, there is a large adjusting screw in the outboard end of the pinion gear case. This adjusting screw has a lock nut on it. With the blade lifted SLIGHTLY, loosen the locking nut and turn the adjusting screw in until it starts to become firm - NOT DEAD TIGHT - and re-tighten the locking nut making sure that the adjusting screw DOES NOT turn as you tighten the lock nut.

When you have the lock nut tightened, it is a good idea to start the machine and test the controls as tightening the lock nut can change the adjustment on the screw even though the screw may not have moved during the tightening. If this happens, it is usually due to worn threads. A bit of fiddling may be required to achieve the best adjustment

(I found that a home-made wrench made from 1 1/2” x ¼” flat bar bent in an 'L' shape with the leg of the 'L' only about 1” long and made to fit the slot in the adjusting screw was a handy tool to have around the old Cat 12's.)

When you have done both sides, test the controls by raising and lowering the blade several times, including applying down pressure on the blade. If you have done everything correctly, the controls ought to be a little easier. If the controls got tighter, the most likely cause is that you have over-tightened the pinion adjustment. Remember, I said, 'NOT DEAD TIGHT'.

(I have encountered a couple of older Cat 12's that did not have this pinion adjustment. I have since been told by EDB that these older machines had shims under the plate that could be removed to tighten up the pinion adjustment.)

The Hi-lift gears are replaceable. They are usually made from aluminium - or brass in earlier machines - so that they wear out before the steel pinion gear that drives them. To replace them, you need to disconnect the drive shafts from the control box where it comes through the front of the cab. This involves removing the gear from the front end of that shaft through the inspection plug hole.

Then unbolt the Hi-lift gear cases from the front of the cab and the bearing mounts from the mounting arms at the front end of the lift shafts and slide the gear cases forward to allow access to the bolts holding the Hi-lift gears to the flange on the end of the lift shaft. It does help if you have a small crane or a block and tackle to take the weight of the gear case and shaft as you slide it forward.

As with any repair, it also helps if you have a workshop manual handy. And, if it was me doing it, I'd be checking the pinion gear and bearings and whatever else I could get at before I put it all back together.

There is also adjustment for circle clearance - shims under the circle carriers - and location - set screws to adjust the carriers in or out. Be careful when adjusting these as circles tend to wear unevenly and you could make some tight places if you get too carried away here. If the circle carriers are excessively worn, they can be re-built either by welding some thin plate - say 1/8" - on them or by re-building with weld metal. I prefer welding on some thin plate as it is usually unnecessary to grind off the finished surface. You may then need some shims to maintain clearance.

Shims were also included ex-factory in the various ball joints in the blade lift, side shift and scarifier lift and can be removed to help reduce slack in these areas - if there are any left. If not, the cups can be ground as a rough means of tightening them - you may need some shims after you have ground the cups if you get too carried away with the grinding.

A couple more adjustment tips. There WERE also shims built into the mounting of the side-shift gearbox to adjust the meshing of the side-shift pinion gear with the side-shift slide. As well, there were shims between the two halves of the side-shift slide to adjust for wear on the slide guide. Be a little careful with both of these as there is almost always more wear toward the middle of the side-shift slide and you don't need things so tight that they begin to jam up.

You could also adjust the lean wheel rack down on the lean wheel top brace to cater for wear between the rack and the pinion. This is done by ADDING shims, NOT by taking them out. This is the ONLY adjustment on these machines where you ADD shims to compensate for wear.

When those old girls came new fresh out of the factory, they had JUST enough clearance in the ball joints to allow them to turn without binding, so little that you could not see it. The blade lift gears all meshed perfectly and the dog clutches in the control box ONLY kicked back under EXTREME load - you were more likely to shear a shear pin in the vertical drive shaft to the control box. The front lean wheels did NOT flop all over the place and the steering DIDN'T have a turn and a half slack. LOL.

I believe there is a ‘German’ word to describe how tight they were.

"SCHNIEZENTITE".

From there it was a long, SLOW progression to the 'knuckle-buster' controls, 3 or 4 inches of 'stump-jump’ in the blade and a severe case of wanderlust in the front end. The good part about it was that it DID take a long time and a LOT of work to wear much slack into them.

The more of that slack you can remove without causing anything to bind up, the better.



You have a wonderful day. Best wishes.

Deas Plant.

Hi, Folks.
Cop this!

Adjustment instructions for pre-hydraulic Caterpillar gear-controlled graders.

Here are the 'destructions' for adjusting blade lift controls on older Cat gear-controlled graders.

Firstly, for those looking to achieve a quick fix for worn dog clutches in the control box itself, there AIN'T one. If you want to restore your dog clutches to like-new condition, you need to do one of two things:

a. Buy new ones - 100% reliable.

b. Have them rebuilt and ground back to NEW specs - less reliable as you need first to get hold of the technical data relating to correct pitches, etc., then find an engineering shop that can do it properly.

Some people try grinding them back with an angle grinder. This MAY(????) make an improvement but will NOT return them to new condition.

You can also do a switch-around of the dog clutches in the control box so that you end up with less worn clutches on the blade lift control shafts. This DOES take a bit of brain work as you MUST keep correct track of which clutches are turning which way to do whatever it is that they do so that you do get the less worn faces doing the work.

The output shafts from the control box, are held (more or less, depending on wear) firmly in place when the control lever is released by the "combination shifter fork and brake", which is inside the power control box (the big housing in front of your knees when sitting in the seat that has all the control levers attached to it).

There are two brake plates, which are contained within the shifter fork itself, and a HEAP of small coil springs that push these two brake plates apart when the control lever returns to the released position. This holds the control output shaft in a "braked" position, when the control lever isn't being pushed or pulled.

For some strange reason(????), these brake plates wear after a lot work and/or the coil springs weaken, causing the braking action to weaken allowing the control shafts to turn when load is applied to the other end of the drive-line. All the control levers and drive shafts use the same "combination shifter fork and brake", so you may be able to swap the various shifter fork and brake mechanisms to other positions, and replace the more used and worn ones with less-worn ones, as a "quick fix". Failing that, you will need to dismantle the shifter fork and brake mechanism and replace the springs and possibly the brake plates, with better, or new ones.

I have never seen a 70D Cat 12E as they were American-built. We had the 17K DowNunder which was the DowNunder-built equivalent of the 70D/71D while the earlier 99E was the U.S. equivalent of the DowNunder 21F Cat 12E The later 21F/99E machines and the 17K/70D machines had a small brake arrangement on the front of the blade lift output shaft in front of the control box. It IS possible to have this brake adjusted too tight. So long as the linings are in reasonable condition, these brakes gave very little trouble, at least in my experience.

First step for the rest of the adjustments - remove the inspection plugs on top of each Hi-lift gear case - the big round cases on each side of the front face of the cab. Then loosen the clamp bolts on the lift arms at the front ends of the lift shafts and remove the keys from the blade lift arms. Now slowly rotate the hi-lift gear inspecting it as it turns to find the least worn section which will be around 1/3 of its total circumference. When you have found the least worn section, which should be at the top if you are looking at that section, mark the top of the lift shaft and turn that mark to the bottom. This should leave you with a keyway facing pretty much horizontally outward ready to accept the lift arm key again.

When the mark is at the bottom, replace the key in the lift arm in the nearest keyway that lines up - there should be 3 keyways in the shaft - tighten the clamp bolts and replace the inspection plug in the top of the gear case.

Second step - locate the blade lift pinion at the bottom of the Hi-lift gear case - it is the smaller round part of the Hi-lift gear case running across the bottom of the main case. In most models of Cat grader with the gear lift system, there is a large adjusting screw in the outboard end of the pinion gear case. This adjusting screw has a lock nut on it. With the blade lifted SLIGHTLY, loosen the locking nut and turn the adjusting screw in until it starts to become firm - NOT DEAD TIGHT - and re-tighten the locking nut making sure that the adjusting screw DOES NOT turn as you tighten the lock nut.

When you have the lock nut tightened, it is a good idea to start the machine and test the controls as tightening the lock nut can change the adjustment on the screw even though the screw may not have moved during the tightening. If this happens, it is usually due to worn threads. A bit of fiddling may be required to achieve the best adjustment

(I found that a home-made wrench made from 1 1/2” x ¼” flat bar bent in an 'L' shape with the leg of the 'L' only about 1” long and made to fit the slot in the adjusting screw was a handy tool to have around the old Cat 12's.)

When you have done both sides, test the controls by raising and lowering the blade several times, including applying down pressure on the blade. If you have done everything correctly, the controls ought to be a little easier. If the controls got tighter, the most likely cause is that you have over-tightened the pinion adjustment. Remember, I said, 'NOT DEAD TIGHT'.

(I have encountered a couple of older Cat 12's that did not have this pinion adjustment.)

The Hi-lift gears are replaceable. They are usually made from aluminium - or brass in earlier machines - so that they wear out before the steel pinion gear that drives them. To replace them, you need to disconnect the drive shafts from the control box where it comes through the front of the cab. This involves removing the gear from the front end of that shaft through the inspection plug hole.

Then unbolt the Hi-lift gear cases from the front of the cab and the bearing mounts from the mounting arms at the front end of the lift shafts and slide the gear cases forward to allow access to the bolts holding the Hi-lift gears to the flange on the end of the lift shaft. It does help if you have a small crane or a block and tackle to take the weight of the gear case and shaft as you slide it forward.

As with any repair, it also helps if you have a workshop manual handy. And, if it was me doing it, I'd be checking the pinion gear and bearings and whatever else I could get at before I put it all back together.

There is also adjustment for circle clearance - shims under the circle carriers - and location - set screws to adjust the carriers in or out. Be careful when adjusting these as circles tend to wear unevenly and you could make some tight places if you get too carried away here. If the circle carriers are excessively worn, they can be re-built either by welding some thin plate - say 1/8" - on them or by re-building with weld metal. I prefer welding on some thin plate as it is usually unnecessary to grind off the finished surface. You may then need some shims to maintain clearance.

Shims were also included ex-factory in the various ball joints in the blade lift, side shift and scarifier lift and can be removed to help reduce slack in these areas - if there are any left. If not, the cups can be ground as a rough means of tightening them - you may need some shims after you have ground the cups if you get too carried away with the grinding.

A couple more adjustment tips. There WERE also shims built into the mounting of the side-shift gearbox to adjust the meshing of the side-shift pinion gear with the side-shift slide. As well, there were shims between the two halves of the side-shift slide to adjust for wear on the slide guide. Be a little careful with both of these as there is almost always more wear toward the middle of the side-shift slide and you don't need things so tight that they begin to jam up.

You could also adjust the lean wheel rack down on the lean wheel top brace to cater for wear between the rack and the pinion.

When those old girls came new fresh out of the factory, they had JUST enough clearance in the ball joints to allow them to turn without binding, so little that you could not see it. The blade lift gears all meshed perfectly and the dog clutches in the control box ONLY kicked back under EXTREME load - you were more likely to shear a shear pin in the vertical drive shaft to the control box. The front lean wheels did NOT flop all over the place and the steering DIDN'T have a turn and a half slack. LOL.

I believe there is a ‘German’ word to describe how tight they were.

"SCHNIEZENTITE".

From there it was a long, SLOW progression to the 'knuckle-buster' controls, 3 or 4 inches of 'stump-jump’ in the blade and a severe case of wanderlust in the front end. The good part about it was that it DID take a long time and a LOT of work to wear much slack into them.

The more of that slack you can remove without causing anything to bind up, the better.

Happy tinkering.

Hi to EDB and all the other guys who made their living fixing all the machines that I and others did 'the other thing' with. If you have anything to contribute to the above, please feel free as I faintly suspect that it will all be going to a good cause and I do NOT claim to be the sole repository of ALL knowledge about anything.