Thanks, I honestly never considered the dealer. My last experience with any kind of dealer was going to Harley Davidson asking for some camshaft shims. The parts guy (who was an old timer) said 'WOW... I havent been asked for those in 30 years.. then he proceeded to grab the entire tray of shims they had out the back in individual bags and said, just take all of these because we will never carry them again or ever be asked for them again. LoL .

So good to know! because id instantly written off any help from the CoPo.  - yes carb rebuild for sure! thanks

thanks! shopping for the manuals now. Cheers! 

Deas wrote:

Hi, swilling.
There were 2 series of the Cat 22, 2F from 1 to 9999 and 1J from 1 to 5,000 something. That would make your machine a very early first series which, I think would place it somewhere in 1933. If I am wrong, I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that someone will be along to correct me.

As Dandy Dave said, if you can find a parts machine with at least most of the parts that you need, that would be a good place to start, especially as it would likely leave you with bunch more parts for future 'emergencies'.

The 22s were among the most bullet proof small crawlers of that era.

Just my 02.

 

Thanks! this is great to learn, hard to believe its that early of a machine, kind of neat! - yes a Parts tractor would be ideal, but honestly, this machine seems like a 'parts tractor' anything else around here is complete - so buying a complete one and decommissioning it for this one might seem a bit assbackwards (however thats pretty common approach for me lol)

Cheers

neil wrote:

Congratulations! You're very enthusiastic which is a great ingredient to have. No doubt you will get it running - these are very simple, basic machines. A parts machine as mentioned is a good way to go but if you find space at a premium, there are plenty of sources for Twenty-Two parts. As well as locating the parts that you're missing, having the parts catalog is very useful because the drawings are to scale and accurate, meaning you can see how the parts are laid out/assembled. Some parts are not only common within the 2F / 1J series but even to other Cat tractor models so do ask if you're in doubt. Draining and replacing fluids is a good idea, as is refurbishing the two key ingredients to easy starting / good running - the carburettor and the magneto. Get them in good shape and you'll be happy. Steering can be the biggest challenge since if a clutch is stuck and you can't use the bush methods to unstick it, diassembly is required. Please post lots of photos as you bring it back to running condition.

Yes just seeing some of the sample drawings, very nice if only some of the other crap Ived worked on had such great documentation. Yes the clutches/steering is going to be the newest venture for me in understanding how these work as I have no concept of it, but at first glance it just looks like a typical motorcycle clutch basket on either side. Nothing feels stuck as far as the pedals and levers go but I know that means nothing at this time. The brake pedals seem rock hard but the clutch side could be good. Thanks

juiceman wrote:

Welcome, and congratulations on the first of many Caterpillar tractors!
You are fortunate that the spark plug cover is still on it, usually it gets tossed or lost first. You have the hot rod belief: It turns, it burns!
Myself, I would clean things up and see what needs to be loosened up besides the billfold for parts purchases
Hopefully it steers still, if not, that is a chore to get steering clutches unstuck, etc.
The 22 was the Model T of Caterpillars. A LOT of them built, and surprisingly, many floating about in various conditions for sale.
Yours although missing a few parts, looks pretty good from here.
Hmmm, NorCal ehh? Maybe someone will chime in and offer to help? I am in Yuba City, but my hands on experience for a 22 is very limited.
Keep on sharing progress reports and pictures of course, this is exciting for many of us as well! JuiceMan.

interesting about the plug cover im seeing lots of pics of these old machines and yes not many have that. Kind of neat. Yuba city, I am up in the hills of buckhorn, just north of Pioneer on 88 in Amador county. So I find myself down near sac now and again. Nice to meet you neighbor! I will totally keep this thread going once I get started on the machine.

GrantJ wrote:

Looks to be a nice machine. Seems to have a PTO judging by the lever. There are actually an amazing amount of small changes over the years that these were made, but most of them dont make much difference. Much of the driveline parts are also the same as a 15. I also have a couple of low serial number 22s and one thing that had me puzzled was the flywheel and clutch. On #811 and older they are different than the later ones. It turns out that the early 22s also used a 15 flywheel and clutch.

The first thing that I would do is to get a friend and put the machine in gear and have the friend turn the crank. Push the clutch down and see if the engine still turns. If it turns, the main clutch is not stuck. Then with the trans still in gear , pull both steering clutches back and see if the engine can be turned. If YES, your steering clutches are free,

I dont know if the radiator core would be the same as a 15 or not. I will try to compare my 22 parts book with my 15 book today. The sparkplug cover is from a later machine. The very early 22s had an unvented sparkplug cover was changed to a vented one at some point. Probably made the plugs run too hot. There was a good thread recently about 22 parts compatibility with the {rare} small 20. It is an interesting thread.

Hey "Juiceman", you need a tailseat 22 in your stable !!!!!

great info, thanks! learning alot already. I appreciate you. Yes it also does have a PTO, I assumed that was standard on all of these but I guess not.
heres the pto

 

Here is some advice that will cost you more money but save a lot of frustration. Take the time to find and buy actual Cat manuals. The repos have good text but terrible pictures. Another thing is that even though Cat made around 15,000 22s, they did not publish a servicemans manual. The best advice that I got was to buy a 15 service manual and it will cover all except the motor. That 22 looks good enough to not even consider making it a parts machine. This may sound like a joke but it is not. The best service that I have found for magneto work is a company called "OLD CROAK MAGNETOS". Good fast service and were willing to talk me thru a problem rather than saying to just send it in for repair.

Best of Luck and have fun learning. Grant.

generaaly if water hasnt got in the mag winding will be fine it will need points and condensor and a set of bearings is just good insurance.

and hears a tip make sure the mating faces are spotless clean a little 2b pencil rubbed on helps em work better and can make a sad mag work good enough. a old mechanic tuaght me that trick and it works. remember magnetos rely on the return path via the plug body and the block to work. bad wiring will cause problems.

while most of these earlier cat machines could have a pto not all did it was mainly the ag crawlers that had pto. any set up factory or ex dealer as dozers or other earthmoving/construction gear didnt have pto unless ordered that way.