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Chapter Status Comment from the Board of Directors

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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #241632 by Kurt Bangert
The BoD has heard the feedback on the proposed changes to Chapters loud and clear, and as a result a decision has been made to put the previously presented plan on hold and start a dialog with Chapter leaders on creating a plan that works for all to the highest degree possible.

The details are yet to be put in place, but all chapter leaders can expect to hear from a Director and be invited to participate in creating a solution.

I hope it is not lost on you that this is an example of the Board hearing your and other member’s opinions and changing direction as a result of that feedback. This Board is committed to making this a better Club for all, and your input is essential in getting there.

Together we’re stronger

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2 years 1 month ago #241638 by Deas Plant.
Hi, FroghairFarm.
Thank you for the info. Good stuff.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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2 years 1 month ago #241640 by DavidTallon
This is great news. Thank you.

I look forward to the discussions on how to come to a better solution for all.

Thanks,
Dave Tallon
President - ACMOC Chapter 20
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2 years 1 month ago #241642 by Firecat
On the Post Topic - Letter from "Concerned Members of ACMOC" and The Post Topic - Response to "Concerned Members of ACMOC"

A number of members had no idea and were inquiring how someone got ACMOC'S List of Members Information. Any member can get the info on the ACMOC site: GO to MEMBERS, then go to MEMBERS DIRECTORY. You will see USER NAME, FIRST NAME, LAST NAME, ADDRESS, CITY, STATE, ZIP, COUNTY, EMAIL, PHONE NUMBER AND EXPIRATION DATE on all ACMOC Members.

I would like to Thank the Group/Signers. Many of these gentlemen I consider friends and it upsets me the way they've been drug through the dirt (a little tractor talk) on these two posts. They have served their time plus as officers and volunteers. You have to understand that if these Group/Signers had not put pressure on the ACMOC BOD concerning the new by-laws for Subsidiary Chapters that on December 31, 2022 there would be less Chapters and probably less ACMOC members.

I do understand why the ACMOC BOD made this decision based on saving the organization money. A decision of this magnitude should have been brought to the membership before being enacted. I'd like to Thank the BOD for reconsidering and starting a new dialogue.

Frank Portera,
President - ACMOC Chapter 17
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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #241643 by Kurt Bangert
Frank - I appreciate your comments and that you and many others consider the Group/signers friends.

I would disagree that the Group/Signers are responsible for the change of direction in regards to Chapters, we were hearing from Chapter leaders and that is what made clear that a change of direction was fair and in order. The "Group" did not need to do what they did in order for the board to make a course correction.

I can accept that the BoD deserves criticism over the subject of chapter affiliations, that's fair. I would also submit that the "Group" deserves criticism for the methods they have employed to attempt force their will on the Club. We can do better as a BoD, and will. Criticism can be a catalyst for positive change.

I definitely agree with you that a change of this magnitude should have been brought before the membership, especially the chapter leaders such that the members of a chapter would have time for input. In fairness, I believe a lot of the Directors thought this had been done on a on-on-one basis, but we should not have taken that on face value.

I look forward to working with you and your colleagues to find a good solution, I am confident we can.

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2 years 1 month ago #241645 by Deas Plant.
Hi, Firecat.
Friends or not, there ARE protocols for resolving such issues and these protocols were NOT followed. What these people have done and the way they have done it has created divisions within the club which did NOT need to be.

If they felt they were not being heard, all they had to do was to put up a post here on the BB POLITELY and RESPECTFULLY outlining their concerns and INVITE discussion.

Their 'bull-at-a-gate', sledge hammer approach was both inconsiderate and isolationist - not to mention illegal and just plain BS. Indeed, I am left wondering if ANY of them even approached the BoD with their concerns - which would have been the correct way - before making their move.

On top of that. some of the people on that list are the very same ones who led the club into a DIRE financial situation some years ago, from which it is still trying to extricate itself. WHAT makes them think they can do any better in the future?

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
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2 years 1 month ago #241648 by DavidTallon
Kurt - I appreciate your communications here. One of your comments alarms me a bit however as it implies the Directors were potentially mislead about the amount of due diligence put into the Chapter decision. That begs the question, who said it had been done? In the earliest available board meeting minutes for this year it appears the decision on chapters had already been made, so it is not clear where this really came from.

I won't belabor this as your post admitted the board now recognizes this as a mistake. However, I know that there were some that did not agree with this move and yet it proceeded anyway, so I think it is important for members to understand where responsibility lies and for there to be some accountability for a mistake of this magnitude.

Thanks,
Dave Tallon
President - ACMOC Chapter 20
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2 years 1 month ago #241650 by Kurt Bangert
Dave, I did not mean to imply that there were Directors that were mislead in some fashion. That wasn't the case as far as I am concerned. What I meant was that it is on any Director to verify what they presume. In my case I presumed that conversations had been had and/or there was deeper knowledge that informed the direction of these decisions. That is purely my fault for not asking more questions and gaining a better understanding.

It's my view and that of other Directors, that the responsibility lies squarely at the feet of this Board and there is no finger pointing here. Given that, the right thing to do is to revisit the issue with the proper approach, and people involved to find the best possible solution.

I look at it this way, we did not get here due to ill intent. The mistake was realized due to feedback from chapter leaders and members like you. Once the mistake was acknowledged, action was taken to put the original decision on hold and go back and get it right. All of us on the BoD wish it would have been perfect the first time around, but we accept responsibility and are asking for a Mulligan to get it right.

I very much appreciate your comments,

Kurt Bangert

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2 years 1 month ago #241653 by Old Magnet
It is my understanding that the Board was warned of the Contract Chapter consequences and proceeded anyway.
We have been "smoozed" before by one individuals responses and the result was "into the crapper". I hope this isn't just another round.
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2 years 1 month ago #241657 by Kurt Bangert
OM - there is no question that the BoD was aware that there would be great unhappiness and potentially some Chapters that would cease. No one wanted that of course, but there are some hard facts to face. It is not just insurance cost, there are requirements of state registrations and reporting and more. To do it right, (and the Club needs to do it right), there's more to it than meets the eye.

I am not here to gloss any of this over, that's for sure. The BoD wants to meet with Chapters so that first we all understand the nature of the problem, and second, we all collectively put our heads together and find the best solution out of what could be a list of unsatisfactory possibilities. I don't want to give the impression we have a secret silver bullet we'll pull out of our back pocket, we don't. But there is a definite possibility that together we can find a better choice.

I hope that helps

Kurt Bangert

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