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D4 sub soiler

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2 years 6 months ago #237801 by GrantJ
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Could someone please post diagrams of the differences between a sub soiler, ripper, cultivator, chisel. etc. I suspect that I am not the only one that is not clear on this. Thanks, Grant.

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2 years 6 months ago #237815 by bursitis
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the main difference between a ripper and a sub soiler is in the design of the shank and tooth. the ripper will break and fracture from the tip of the tooth all the way to the surface,the sub soiler will fracture a clay pan at depth and not disturb the surface very much.  the cultivator is used in the top 4 inches of soil to disturb and usually remove weeds. 

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2 years 6 months ago #237819 by GrantJ
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Thank you, I have a better idea of the naming now. Grant.

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2 years 6 months ago #237820 by ag-mike
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The engineered max recommended tool use determined its strength. Subsoilers are heavier built for the depth, while chisels worked at less depth but more could used on the bar for larger area coverage.
A D4 I had with 7 heavy duty Cat chisels. Remember, set tools to depth and operate the machine in "hydraulic float".
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2 years 6 months ago #237830 by bursitis
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I tried the sub soiler behind the 100 hp 4wd tractor and the D46U today. the tractor pulled it but the tires were slipping quite a bit. the D46U pulled it in first gear fine but was a nice load no smoke and in second there was some smoke and it would lug sometimes. with the sub soiler in a shallower setting second and third were fine with third lugging just a bit in tough spots. this was with all three shanks installed. the ground was an old oilfield location so it was a tough test.
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2 years 6 months ago #237836 by gauntjoh
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When I bought my D7 7M tractor (70 drawbar horsepower - DHP) it came with a mole plough and I was doing a field for the previous owner. 2nd gear downhill, 1st gear up hill. He had a 4wd 150 HP Fiat tractor on double wheels all round. I asked if he had ever used it on the mole plough and he had not but we gave it a try. He set off and tripped the mole (mechanical lift - no hydraulics) and as soon as the mole got to depth (22 inches) all forward motion ceased and the Fiat dug four big holes with it’s dual wheels. We replaced it with the D7 and she took off in 1st as sweet as anything. The extra weight and wide (24 in track shoes) showing it’s not the power but how you put it on the ground.

John Gaunt, ACMOC Director, UK

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2 years 6 months ago #237837 by Deas Plant.
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Hi, gauntjoh.
There izza website dedicated to UN-conventional vehicles called Unusual Locomotion: www.unusuallocomotion.com/ . On this site, there is a fairly detailed history of track patents: www.unusuallocomotion.com/pages/locomotion/track-history-1.html which goes back further than most light think.

In all of the various ways in which people have tried to get 'grunt' on the ground to do work, it seems to me that there still is nothing to beat the good ole steel track with grousers.

One interesting 'kwestyun' does arise from your story about the Fiat and your D7 - Comparative weights?????????? Pretty much anything to do with moving or breaking earth is all about weight, horsepower and the method used to get the horsepower to the ground. Seems your D7 has that Fiat well and truly beaten in that context.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months ago #237838 by bursitis
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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months ago #237839 by D4Jim
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Awwwww!  You guys convinced me to trade off the green 9630 and get a D7!!  At least it won't take me 5 acres to turn it around!!  I'm guessing a D7 weighs about half as much again than the 9630.  Not sure the D7 can run 25 mph on the road when going to remote fields.

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2 years 6 months ago #237840 by ag-mike
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Jim, Who is he guy in bibs & white hat? That's your spring fling 2006.

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