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D2 pony pinion gear worn

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3 years 5 months ago #226609 by neil
I've done an almost full rehab on 5U13753 (all but the actual undercarriage) and the durned pony pinion hasn't stayed in good shape. I didn't pay much attention to the pinion gear but turns out it was worn enough internally (ID and splines) that it was jacking the latch sleeve retaining bolts which as you all know don't have much purchase. I've worked with plenty of worn junk before but turns out that the pinion gear needs to not be worn much at all on the inside. I think mine might be a combination of worn and eroded. Anyhoo, I have a good used one plus a pair of latches coming from Dana at Florin. I'll take the stop down to my guy and have him skim the surface 020 so's it's "perfect", and I already have a new latch spring. If the new pinion gear is still a bit loose, I might spring for a new one - not cheap but definitely cheaper for my time than the 3.5 hrs plus travel time I spent removing the pinion assembly this time (3hrs 29min to remove the components needed to get the pinion out, and 60 seconds to actually remove the pinion assembly..... I've had every single nut and bolt apart on that tractor so nothing fought me, but it just takes time to work through everything. It would have been good if Cat had made the pinion assembly able to be removed without lifting the pony - then it would have taken ten minutes to remove the rear cover of the governor, the front cover of the pinion assembly, and finally the assembly itself. Since I've just done this, here is a list of everything I had to do to remove it, plus tools needed (some were not actually used such as the paint scraper since all gaskets were either greased or anti-seized during the prior assembly):Tools- Red toolbox!!- 1/2” drive sockets and extensions, 3/8”, 1/4” too- ratcheting spanners- scraper for loosening gaskets- empty oil jug to drain pinion drive - 1 gal- two short pieces 2x4- jimmy bar- plastic pan for hardware (stays there)- yoghurt container lid and painter’s tape for plugging holes temporarily, other plugs- paper towels- gloves From Lowes, two 5gal buckets with lids for coolant. Drain coolant at main radiator drain and at rear block drain, drain pinion gear chamber, remove hood, main air cleaner, detach starter wires, remove pony air cleaner, remove pony gas tank, loosen gauge dash, detach ammeter wires, detach oil pressure tube, detach temperature sender at cylinder head,remove gauge dash, remove rear cylinder head to pony water elbow, remove pony exhaust pipe boltsat main engine manifold, remove decompression rod, loosen remote pony fuel bracket, loosen pony nuts (8 of), hoist pony 2” first on passenger side then on driver’s side and blockwith 2x4 (remaining coolant from pony will drain to ground), remove governor rear cover, remove pony pinion rear cover, latch pinion, undo pinion assembly bolts, extract pinion assembly, cover various holes.Fix pinion.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #226612 by Outbackrider
I hear you, until actually getting into change out the pinion, I thought it was going to be a couple hour job...it took me at least double that but the next two I have to do should go quicker.  Enjoyed your step by step.  I had a heck of a time with that pinion housing o-ring. 
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3 years 5 months ago #226620 by Cat Yellow1
Fortunately, my pony was already off for a rebuild when I pulled my pinion. Agree with Outbackrider, breaking the o-ring loose was the hardest part.

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #226621 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 pony pinion gear worn
I had the same challenge removing my assembly the first time, but I learned that there's a slightly thinner section o-ring that can be used instead of the one listed in the parts catalog. That, along with ample anti-seize and oil meant the second time, it popped out easily. Actually, I do see slight movement in the assembly in the hole when it's powering the main engine so I'll need to figure out a way to address that. Tightening the four bolts is insufficient to hold it still. I'm thinking possibly two small blobs of weld at 90 degrees apart that aren't stuck to the assembly but essentially "jam" it up against one side of the flywheel housing. I could go back to the original parts catalog o-ring but that was hard to even install fresh with lube so I don't want to do that

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 5 months ago #226622 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 pony pinion gear worn
Oh yes, and it's always good to go around and confirm that every nut and bolt is out before trying to crowbar parts off : )

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago #226631 by Outbackrider
That dab of weld sounds like it should tighten things up.  I have to reinstall mine this spring, I'll keep an eye on how tight it is after bolting up.  I don't know if it would be worth trying to braze up this pinion sleeve and turn it down, might do it just to have a spare on the shelf.  She is so worn, the engagement lever can't push it it into the locking dogs.  Anyone done that, or another way to build it up again, brazing may wear out to quick.
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3 years 5 months ago #226632 by Deebo
Replied by Deebo on topic D2 pony pinion gear worn
I’ve bit the bullet and ordered a replacement pinion here;

www.tpaktopc.net/images/catcrawler/CAT_6B1360_PINION_GEAR.JPG

Feels a bit lighter than the original but hopefully will do the job..


 
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3 years 5 months ago #226634 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 pony pinion gear worn
Wow, that one looks nice Tony!
Outback, I'd just turn down a piece maybe a half inch thick, weld that on, then put a button on it of whatever size gets it back to spec. You could probably put some fill in the hole so the spring has a bit of support but you don't want the center to be proud such that the spring then prematurely wears out in the middle - you need a nice rounded surface on the inside. Maybe weld it, then put a rounded mill cutter down inside to profile the weld material back down

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago #226635 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 pony pinion gear worn
Also Outback, be sure to let us know how snug of a fit that pinion is. Even if the one from Dana is ok, if John's one is nice and snug, I'll go with that and keep the other as a spare

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago #226972 by trainzkid88
outback try bronze it is tougher than braze done with the same equipment. virtually the same technique just different temp and alloy. the flux is different too.

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