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16 years 5 months ago #17533
by Old Magnet
The 1983 Service Manual for the D6C 10K7953-up does state 50wt for finals (30SAE for below 32 degrees).
Myself I run "Lubrication Engineers" 5250 ALMAGEAR EP Gear Lubricant in all my finals. Don't believe Cat ever advised a proper lube for this application.
The 5250 is an SAE250 (AGMA 8A) 100 percent highly refined paraffinic base lubricant combined with a synthetic polymer and is specifically designed for large gearboxes that must withstand heavy and/or shock loading.
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16 years 5 months ago #17535
by ETD66SS
I use this thing when it's below zero outside. That's why I didn't want to go with 80w90, and wanted to ask...
I'll ask my CAT dealer tomorow, see what they say.
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16 years 5 months ago #17537
by Old Magnet
Pretty obvious by Cat specs one weight oil will not meet their criteria for both summer and winter temperatures.......but who actually changes for the season. A reasonable compromise would be the 80w90 wt.
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16 years 5 months ago #17546
by cr
We run the 50W it temps in the 110+ range running 24/7. This was a recomendation made by Holt brothers or Quinn as a result of us switching over to Brand X crawlers because of issues of final and rear end life issues.
We were putting anywhere between 4,000 and 6,000 hrs a year on our crawlers when this recomendation was made in one of the hottest places in the US (Kings & Kern County, CA & Yuma, AZ).
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16 years 5 months ago #17547
by Old Magnet
The application I refer to does not come from operating tractors. Comes from operating 100 foot long 500 degree curing ovens 24/7 365 days/yr. Extended overhaul life from one year to five on some really nice 250hp Falk herring bone gear reduction drives. Units were mounted adjacent to the ovens but lived in a hot and fouled with glass fiber environment. Made a believer out of me. Stuff isn't cheap but rebuilding finals is no fun either.
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16 years 5 months ago #17559
by carlsharp
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What do you attribute the increase in service life to? Using a lighter oil in a hotter environment is counter-intuitive, but you are seeing results.
The question is- why?
CS
PS the other question is what are you using a trackloader for, that much?
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16 years 5 months ago #17560
by ETD66SS
I use my D6C maybe 250 hours per year...
I asked Bob, he said if I can't find the 50wt, to use theTDTO4 30 I use in the transmission, and put that in the final drives...
So the suggestions are all over the map here, lol.
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16 years 5 months ago #17574
by OneWelder
I am hesitant to make these two statements.
The lighter oil would circulate faster, resulting in - lubrication quicker, and more heat transfer because of the increased circulation. Obviously there are limits 5# just wouldn't work.
Secondly as I remember( and I am not sure how to verify)
back then they used two different viscosity rating systems for gear oil and engine oil - resulting in 90 # being close to 50 # if the same rating system were used- and I am talking st. wt. oils
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16 years 5 months ago #17575
by ETD66SS
I am hesitant to make these two statements.
The lighter oil would circulate faster, resulting in - lubrication quicker, and more heat transfer because of the increased circulation. Obviously there are limits 5# just wouldn't work.
Secondly as I remember( and I am not sure how to verify)
back then they used two different viscosity rating systems for gear oil and engine oil - resulting in 90 # being close to 50 # if the same rating system were used- and I am talking st. wt. oils
My Dad found a place that sells 50 wt gear oil. I'm not sure what kind he found, I'll find that out when I get home. Hopefully it's the right kind as it costs $67 for a 5 gallon bucket.
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16 years 5 months ago #17577
by OneWelder
I am not saying to use 50 Wt gear oil-I do not know correct answer on that - we used 50 wt Heavy duty motor oil
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