I have a friend in northern California who has an old cat he was going to cut it up because he thought it is illegal to use on the farm because of it's age is this true????

Not true at all. At present there is nothing in law but somewhere aroud 2020 that will be the case but it will not efect older tractors that are used a min. hours per year or antiques . I use about 20 tractors here for various things and the newest is 1957 oldest 1922

My boss has been to a few meetings with the CARB about that, since we have a lot of older equipment. (Their definition of older is anything made before 2007). The last time I asked him about it, he said, anything diesel powered that's over 25 HP, regardless of age or hours used, will have to retrofitted with the latest smog equip (big $$$), sold out of state, or scrapped. Its supposed to be at least 10 years before it takes effect. Things may have changed since then, but thats the last I heard.

They are currently enforcing the federal clean air act on stationary equipment such as pumps and generators.

The laws are not really clean cut, basically people looking for money and power. if you go to where most of the votes are, LA and SF bay area there is a much laxer approach to the laws, if you go to the "Kansas" or "The south" part of the state as they call it they are looking for any way to get you to stop doing what you are doing unless you donate to their cause.


It will be interesting to see what Congress will do now that Nancy and all the Boston West (S.F.) types are in charge.

Yeah, word up here in C. Oregon is that these new Kalifornia air laws supposed to go in effect in another 4-5-6 months. Rumors grow by the day round here. Started out that older (10 year old or so) Kalifornia machines had to be revamped with new hi-dollar clean air "thingies" or shipped....& good cheaper equipment deals were gonna get better round here this summer.
Now wild rumor has it that the new Kalifornia Clean Air Police are gonna be prowling round offering bounties & huntin down nasty breathing yellow iron.

Last rumor I heard was that even the dealers down there was gonna quit selling, & start paying folks to come haul off new equipment.......
I guess the local truckers are sitting all lined up with engines idling waiting to race down there & start hauling......

We'll see,....I think I'll just keep my 'ol 9U for now.....& that 'ol R945 Liebherr:)

It's not California law that CARB is enforcing,its federal clean air act laws.

It all coes down to federal highway funds. The laws are being enforced due to dirty air being traped in basins, and federal highway dollers are diverted to other states unless certian air quality standards are met.

Carb = calif air regularity board. All fed statutes are based on Calif. rules.

I would hope that the "antique" status of our equipment, and that if you are a "collector" by default of being a member of ACMOC (one of the few underlying percs, you are a member of an organization that restores and preserves the agricultural/construction history of America), we should be exempt by showing the federales our membership. ( can we get a credit type card (plastic) issued-possible discount at Caterpillar as well??)

One thing that has always been a talking point in the U.K. is how the "yanks" always have good kit and always support U.S.A. built / made /grown stuff,at this moment in the U.K. we are buying plenty of machinery from the States, due mainly to the $-£ exchange which is now good for us , we know things change over-night so we are getting the deals sorted as fast as poss, the first time I ever ordered anything from the U.S. it was for a car (corvette)the bits turned up in only a few days,they were reasonably priced ,and the oil filter was chrome plated, all the lads were shocked at the good quality and finish to the parts, you dont see many if any Scanias or Volvos on your roads, also European kit like Cranes/excavators etc, are a not common sight, CAT did fit there engines into a British Truck (although it was owned by Paccar) this Truck was Foden, the fitting of CAT motors into Foden's was a good option ,the other Choice was ether Cummins or Rolls Royce, so CAT did OK from this partnership with Foden, I hope things dont go for you like it has in the U.K. it is hard to get anything made or done , to find an all British thing made in England you are hard pressed. it would seem all we make is a cup of tea (this comes from abroard).
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The last posting should have been in the UN-AMERICAN thead (I'm old + the phone has been busy, sorry)

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