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Trying to load a very stuck D4 7U. Need ideas

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2 years 2 months ago #240810 by Peter C
Hi,
A property has been sold. Has a D4 7U with blade that was parked facing downhill and left in reverse maybe 30 or so years ago. After pulling it about 100 yards in both directions, it still won't roll. Tried pulling it onto trailer but due to cleats on beaver tail couldn't move it using winch and pushing with D4D. Removed gear shift quadrant and shift lever. The right side gear change shaft is forward of the other two but appears so rusted that it can't be moved by any method. Steering clutches, main clutch, and engine appear frozen. Sprayed PB Blaster liberally onto shafts. 

Also a 933 with left rear final drive and track missing but front idler and rollers still attached. Don't know yet whether the right track will roll.

I am only an observer to this recovery but just looking for ideas on how to save these two remaining Cats. Got four of them earlier but they all rolled. Property was sold as is so can walk away and let new owner deal with what remains but they will most likely go to scrap. Property sale closes Thursday.

Thanks for any ideas.

Pete
 

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2 years 2 months ago #240811 by Rome K/G
Any way to get some 2" thick planks under the tracks and skid them?

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2 years 2 months ago #240812 by neil
I was thinking the same as Gary, but also, for the main clutch, is it that the plates are stuck or the lever won't move? If the lever won't move (and I think you know all this already so ignore if so) then the transmission can't be shifted into neutral which might be (also) prevent the tracks from rolling?

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 2 months ago #240818 by Mike Meyer
Are the brakes rusted on to the drums, heard of that plenty of times. Why not crane them on to a trailer, I've done that a few times, only costs a couple of hundred bucks, or get a tilt tray recovery truck in, the ones I've used to move Cats have had smooth trays.

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2 years 2 months ago #240821 by juiceman
From my own experience, back the brakes off if they appear to be stuck and whack the bands with a long drift or bar to see if they are loose; tie the steering levers back;make sure clutch is in the disengaged position.
When pulling with a chain, best results have been from chaining halfway behind the front idler and the carrier roller or sprocket if the blade is in the way. Chain to a pad in a "Y" pattern and heave ho with the other tractor. Many times that provides enough leverage to snap things free. Repeat on the other side .
My first D4 recovery was almost futile, as the IH 884 4x4 wheel tractor just dug deep and did not even budge the crawler; I felt as if that old 7U was determined to stay where it was and die in peace. I did what I just recommended and it broke free just like that. The previous owner drilled me for 1/2 an hour demanding to know if I had hired a crane or what, as it turned out he had 3 JD 6420 4x4 wheel tractors chained to it and could not get any results. His only reason for selling to me cheap was because he did not expect me to get it out.
I also bought a 15K Hyster forklift from Brewzer once, just so I could recover a machine that would not roll. Easy on, easy off. JM

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2 years 2 months ago #240829 by trainzkid88
franna mobile crane or tilt-tray tilt tray is probably the easiest and cheapest. remember smooth steel on smooth steel will skate. so if they could get some steel plate or box section under the tracks to for a skid(weld it to the grousers) you could skull drag it up on to the truck would need pulley blocks though to get enough pull.

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2 years 2 months ago #240842 by kracked1
I second the hooking to a pad. It effectively doubles the force on the track it is hooked onto.

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2 years 2 months ago #240847 by josh
My method with that would be to cut a bunch of wood rollers, maybe 20 or so, about two feet long and 4 to 6 inches in diameter from a small tree, start putting one in front of each track as it approaches the trailer, as you are pulling the cat and go under the tracks they will help it move and lift over the cleats, keep adding rollers every foot or two, will also help on the unloading.

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2 years 2 months ago #240848 by dpendzic
I use 2 inch dia pipe rollers to move boats around on a wood plank on a lower wood plank

D2, D3, D4, D6, 941B, Cat 15
Hancock Ma and Moriches NY

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2 years 2 months ago #240869 by trainzkid88
yes other have suggested the pipe roller shuffle. that requires getting steel plate under the tracks first and enough strong hands and bits of pipe to keep enough pipe under the machine. it does work but its laborious.

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