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D2 backwards starter system

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2 years 3 months ago #239903 by TractorDanD2
Hi,  Recently rescued this 4U4176 D2. Hasn't been running in a few years.  Weather seized engine, controls are free, the machine rolls free. Base oil and transmission oils are good. Radiator is full and green antifreeze. The track rails look good, lots of grouser, however installed backwards! 

Anyhow, I just wanted to share a picture of the starting system that the previous owner had made up. Apparently it worked good for starting the main engine, mostly when it was warm.
Looks to me like a Chev starter that was on the old 6.2 GM diesels. There is a block heater plumbed into the main engine. The pony has internal issues, maybe why the previous owner, now deceased, made up this way of starting the tractor. I wish I could have met the man...I think would have been an interesting person.

Has anyone seem this type of stater system on the PTO of a tractor?
Cheers
Dan 

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2 years 3 months ago #239915 by TractorDanD2
I apologize for triple the photo. Should be only one, been trying to delete the other two. Dan

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2 years 3 months ago #239930 by kracked1
A sniff of ether and it should start it fine. Depending on the gearing it should spin it a fair speed.

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2 years 3 months ago #239934 by TractorDanD2
Hi kracked1, Yes I would think that the engine will kick off with a shot of the good stuff. However I will be rebuilding the pony and the main engine. Not fussy about the idea of having that flywheel spinning at the rear. I got to hand it to the old guy that taught of the idea to rig up a starter on the PTO. Cheers!
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2 years 3 months ago #239944 by Skinner
Replied by Skinner on topic D2 backwards starter system
I found a Set up similar to that one but it was mounted directly to the PTO shaft on a small 15.  
I removed it once I put new rings in the engine as it starts so easy. 

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2 years 3 months ago #239969 by TractorDanD2
Thank you Skinner
I have to get the main unseized and rebuilt. The pony is now free turning, however has a lot of side thrust on the crankshaft. The rear mounted starter is a great conversation item, however I don't think its very safe. Cheers
Dan

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2 years 3 months ago - 2 years 3 months ago #239981 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 backwards starter system
If you rebuild the pony, the usual method to control axial float is by positioning the main bearings, sometimes requiring drilling new dowel pin holes to locate the bearings. An option is to add thrust washers that take the axial load between the outside cheeks of the crank and the pony end-face / cover. This is what I did so the main bearings no longer handle the axial load. I'm happy with the results - of course, it requires machining so is an upgrade cost. You might find though that your existing bearings are suitable and just need new holes and new dowel pins.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 years 3 months ago #239985 by trainzkid88
a old farmer told dad and me to make a couple of wood wedges to support the pilot engine fly wheel when its not running and while working the machine the idea prevent its weight from walking the crank through those bearings. we didnt and we suffered a pilot engine lock up.

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2 years 3 months ago #239991 by TractorDanD2
Hi Neil & trainzkidd88,

Thanks for the responses. Anyhow, when I get to rebuild the pony, I have plans to machine my own bearing/ thrust washer to fit as needed.
Cheers
Dan

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