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'46 D2 - 5J8143 Fuel pump

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3 years 2 months ago #231340 by trainzkid88
yes the procedure is in the manuals.

with a completely full fuel tank they can gravity bleed somewhat too but that is a lot of fuel i cant remember the figure in gallons but my 6u holds 120 litres so it adds up fast.

the tire tube idea works well.

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3 years 2 months ago #231341 by toddsmith23
I believe i read somewhere that it holds 20 US Gallons. It was dry when i inspected the tank, i put 5 gallons in to rinse the critters out, but... the line is plugged, probably with more critters :-)

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3 years 2 months ago #231343 by neil
Replied by neil on topic '46 D2 - 5J8143 Fuel pump
If it's a seat tank, it's 26 gallons. I don't have the book to hand for the side tank.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 6 months ago #237566 by toddsmith23
Hello! Well 7 months later i finally have 8143 back together with a working fuel transfer pump and rebuilt starter pinion (big thanks to Squatch for the amazing videos, i reconditioned the starter pinion verbatim and it works great!!)

Here's the issue. After warming up the starting motor, engage the main engine and start the fuel bleeding process. Previously i had drained the remaining fuel from the tower and checked the filters. Tower is pretty darn clean so closed it up and proceeded. After about 5 minutes, had fuel at the front bleeder, another couple minutes i had fuel at the top side bleeder. Fuel pressure guage indicated high caution/low normal at this point. Opened the injector lines and waited.. and waited... No fuel from injector lines. Opened throttle, waited. nothing. 

Re-read for the 15th time, the Neils directions for bleeding.

Question: are there specific bleeders on the injection pump i should be opening? If so, where/which are they?

Anything else that i can do to bleed the pump? I did top off the injector pump with oil, it was pretty empty. 

Please advise and a big thank you in advance.

Regards -TS
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2 years 6 months ago #237567 by Rome K/G
Replied by Rome K/G on topic '46 D2 - 5J8143 Fuel pump
I have seen where the tube in the filter tower to the injection pump was plugged with sediment, took compressed air and cleaned it out, this was off the tractor though.
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2 years 6 months ago #237571 by neil
Replied by neil on topic '46 D2 - 5J8143 Fuel pump
After you've bled the filter assembly (on which there are two bleeders; one at the front and one on the engine side), then each individual injection pump has a bleeder, on the back side of the injection pump closest to the engine block. If you don't have the "official" tool, you can use a 1/4" open wrench. If they're clean, you should only have to open the bleeder a half turn and it should take less than 30s for diesel to start issuing forth. You can do each bleeder in order from the front of the engine to the back - doesn't really matter but if you were on a down hill slope, bleeding the back one first would get diesel to each pump the quickest. Once you have bubble-free diesel from each bleeder and have them tightened back up, you can then loosen at the injection nozzle in the cylinder head. This is not a recommended practice but it is useful to check that the pumps are actually pumping. If you're getting fuel out at that point, then you're bled and good to go. The only thing that would go wrong from that point would be if the nozzles themselves are blocked/faulty

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 years 6 months ago #237574 by toddsmith23
Update -
Noted that Neil originally mentioned that the bleeding procedure was in the manual, looked in the operators manual in the tech library and found the information i was looking for. I bled the injection pump accordingly and started getting fuel at the injector. Start attempt resulted in black smoke and at times a very rough running engine.

Spoke with Jon (big thanks to Jon!!!!) who walked me through checking injection pump and a couple other items. Gut feeling is there is still air in the system. Jon gave some direction on re-bleeding which i will do tomorrow. Need to change the belt on the starting motor.

The good news is, i'm learning a lot in a short period of time. Thanks to all!!

PS: Question: Why is it not recommended practice to not open the injector lines? I'm guessing possible air intrusion?

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2 years 6 months ago #237583 by trainzkid88
chance of fuel injection injury. ie high pressure fuel being forced into the body. if you do this dont have the main engine running. and yes it could draw air. but it would bleed itsef of that air. and it can take a couple of goes to bleed these old girls properly so dont run them out of fuel. use quality fuel and keep it that way.
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2 years 6 months ago #237584 by trainzkid88
did it clear up? run it for a short period and see if it does. if it doesnt clear up it can be a sign the injectors and or the pump need a rekit. or its out of adjustment or slightly mistimed.
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2 years 6 months ago #237585 by neil
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A reason I've seen written is that those fittings were not intended to be untightened and tightened repeatedly although I haven't seen where this might be written in the manual. I could see if a person munged it up it could damage the fittings but I would think with a bit of cleanliness and care, the risk would be low.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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