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D2 pinion housing seal 2A3676 - alternate sizing?

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8 years 2 months ago #150699 by neil
I test-fitted the pinion assembly into the flywheel housing and the o-ring makes it very tight. Even fully lubed up, it took a crowbar to lever it in there. I'm wondering if someone has figured out a different o-ring with a smaller cross-section. Seems to me it would help if the o-ring was a bit smaller and perhaps oval or square. the one that came off it looks like it was square originally although that could be just it sitting in there for so long. It has a very crisp set of edges on it.
I'm concerned that when I pull this apart in future it'll be very hard to push it out again.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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8 years 2 months ago #150700 by Garlic Pete
Replied by Garlic Pete on topic Fit is right.
That is exactly how mine fit, too. I had to do the same, thing: Used a crowbar to pry it out and thought I'd break the ear off, then had to use a crowbar to pry it back in, fully lubed up. My old O-ring also had a nice, crisp square profile from being crushed in there so long.

I don't think the super tight fit is particularly necessary, but you do want a good seal as that O-ring keeps the oil in the pony clutch and drive gear compartment and out of your master clutch. It isn't under pressure, but the bottom of the O-ring is submerged in the pony clutch oil when that compartment is filled to the proper level. It could seep.

Of course, you're the guy who wants to make your master clutch into an oil clutch, so maybe you can get by without any O-ring at all!

I figured the engineers knew what they were doing with that thing and designed that O-ring and groove the way they did for a reason. Kind of like the fuel filter tower O-rings that always seal until they don't, but always seal up again when replaced with the proper O-ring.

Pete.

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8 years 2 months ago #150703 by rmyram
that o ring is a very tight fit in my experience as well, I thought i missed abolt as it didn't want to budge when i first attempted to remove the pinion clutch housing.

When i reassembled, i had the hole and the housing very clean by using a wire wheel on a hand grinder to remove any rust and paint. i then used copious amounts of never seize to lube the o ring and the housing to prevent rust formation in the future. it was very tight to re-install, patience and persistance paid off. i was worried about damaging the o-ring but there weren't any sharp edges so it went together well and didn't leak.

the original o ring does come out looking like a square ring from being in place for so many years, i to was surprised when the new one i ordered from cat came as a regular round o-ring.

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8 years 2 months ago #150709 by Old Magnet
We've been through this before....
2A-3676 is 6.99mm dia., 85.090mm I.D., 99.070mm O.D.
Option #1
8H2046 (same as a dash 340 trade size) 5.33mm dia., 85.090mm I.D., 95.75 O.D.
Option #2
Cat # 095-1554, 5.7mm dia., 84.60 mm I.D., 96.0mm O.D.

No reason that o-ring has to be so tight.

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8 years 2 months ago #150711 by neil
Thanks! I will procure...

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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8 years 2 months ago #150713 by oldbeek
I just received a used pinion assy for my Cat 12 with d318 engine. Also has an old square o-ring. This post was helpful answered my question. I am pretty sure i have the same pinion. Still waiting for a dang parts book from e-bay

Cat 12 grader, 8T6995 running and restoring, Cat 12 grader 9K3585. parts machine, Adams leaning wheel Pull grader Mod # 22, ser#438

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8 years 2 months ago #150720 by Old Magnet
The 8T has a different pinion housing but uses the same o-ring seal.

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8 years 2 months ago #150724 by jmvmopar
Get yourself a bucket of "Assemblee Goo" It's a transmission assemble lube.

Stuff is amazing for orings. I use it at work. I've struggled with some orings. Tried grease, oil, wd40, brake caliper lube. They all suck, compared to that Assemblee Goo.

www.ebay.com/itm/Transmission-Rebuild-As...oo-Gel-/321844744184

A bucket will last you a life time.

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8 years 2 months ago #151174 by neil
Fitted 8H2046 today (after struggling to get the brand new 2A3676 back out again (only been in 7 days and well lubed up...). Slid in by hand but I can tell that there's still some compression so hopefully it'll be leak-proof and much easier to service in future. I have a couple on the shelf now, and I'll swap out the 3J's seal as well (that also has a brand new 2A3676)

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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