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D24U Hard To Start Pony

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16 years 10 months ago #12326 by TomP-TX
What are some coming causes for making a pony motor hard to start once its warmed up? It starts usually on the first pull when it's cold but then after that you have to pull forever. I removed the carburetor yesterday and everything looked good inside none of the jets were plugged. The cork float had a lot of holes in it but I'm guessing that is normal. If I replace the float what is the float level heigth? I'm still waiting for my service manuals I bought off ebay. Any help appreciated.
TomP

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16 years 10 months ago #12327 by ccjersey
Replied by ccjersey on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
I have always heard that the coil in the magneto can break down and short out when it gets hot. If you do eventually get it to crank (while it's still hot), then I would doubt that is it. Easy to check, see if it throws a hot spark from a disconnected wire to the plug or block.

Other possiblilties if you find a weak spark, are weak condenser (capacitor) or incorrect point gap.


Othere than ignition problems, it sounds like vapor lock or possibly stuck valves. If the engine runs good while cool, the carb shouldn't be the problem. So you are looking for something else.

If you want to replace the float, install it, hold the top of the bowl upside down so the float rests on the needle and then make sure the top of the float is parallel with the bottom of the bowl cover. Unless there is a problem with the float, (heavy for some reason?) this starting point should be correct.

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16 years 10 months ago #12328 by bcwayne
Replied by bcwayne on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
Because it starts well when cold, but not when warm, one cause could be the magneto coil is bad.

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16 years 10 months ago #12330 by Eric Egland
Replied by Eric Egland on topic D2 Mag problem
Tom, my D2 had that problem for years before I decided to fix it.
It would not restart when warmed up. I finally replaced the points and capacitor. End of problem and no more having to park on a slope over lunch for the restart, or let idle for an hour.
Replace the points and cap. This is easy and a cheap first step.
I suspect the capacitor as the primary culprit, as temperature can affect it more than any other component.
Good luck.

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16 years 10 months ago #12331 by TomP-TX
Replied by TomP-TX on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
Thanks, I will give that a try. I have the dash out and much of the pony disassembled, I have to drill out a broken exhaust stud and replace some gaskets. I'm still waiting for my manuals but I'm guessing if you want to adjust the valves you have to pull off the manifold,I guess it might not be a bad idea since I'm in it this far.

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16 years 10 months ago #12332 by TomP-TX
Replied by TomP-TX on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
I forgot to ask if there was any type of ajustment to the timing? It looks like the mounting holes on the mag aren't elongated. and are the points fixed or do they move on the mount? I thought timing could also maybe be an issue.

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16 years 10 months ago #12333 by Old Magnet
Replied by Old Magnet on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
There is no adjustment for the pony valves.
Proper clearance is obtained by grinding the valve stems and valve seats, just like the old flathead Fords.
Attached timing the mag instructions.

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16 years 10 months ago #12339 by egoman
Replied by egoman on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
Hey eric how do you get an hour for lunch????

The BIGGEST thing in motocross

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16 years 10 months ago #12345 by Eric Egland
Replied by Eric Egland on topic 1 hour lunch
Well........let's just say everyone is happy....

Sorry, gotta go, game starting.
I just wish they could find someone here in the states that could sing a song without adding their worthless interpertation of how it should be sung.

So sad..

Eric

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16 years 10 months ago #12348 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D24U Hard To Start Pony
Eric,
I reckon Sam off The Wiggles would do it justice: he has a man's voice but doesn't really embellish things or add "creative" interpretation. I'm with you -sing it straight and strong.

By the way, you're not hoping for a Bengals miracle are you ; )

Cheers,
Neil.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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