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Rescuing a "broken" D6 8U

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1 week 5 days ago #256125 by neil
Replied by neil on topic Rescuing a "broken" D6 8U
If one cylinder is sparking at the right time and the other isn't, I'd suspect some combination of the wrong rotor, cap, and magneto. The Cat pony motors either fire 180 apart or 90. I haven't been inside a D6 U-series pony but if it has the same crank layout as the D2/D4, then it'll be a 180

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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1 week 5 days ago #256127 by LangdonStevenson
Yes it's definitely beneficial for heat and oil pressure. But I'm starting ro wonder if this pony motor is going to require a rebuild or similar.

212 grader, 301.5CR excavator, 226B3 skid steer (and fingers crossed a D6 8U coming my way soon!)

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1 week 5 days ago #256129 by gemdozer
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Did you try to change the spar plug wire from the right to the left side it maybe just a bad wire
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1 week 5 days ago #256134 by Ray54
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A rather normal thing for the carburetors to accumulate crud in the small passages over the years. The one cylinder seems to get most all the gas as the carb is plugged and not enough fuel get to the motor to fire both cylinders. You can use extra choke to compensate for a time. But after a while even that runs out and a very complete cleaning of the carb is needed. It is a pain to remove the gas tank to get the carb off for a proper cleaning. If you take it off do a very complete cleaning. Remove the small lead plug and get the last passage. Hopefully someone will remember where it is hidden on the forum and link some of the old discussion on carb cleaning.

If you have doubt about needing a cleaning, put ether/starting fluid in the non firing cylinder and see if that side then pops at all.


Yes I get very tired of pony motor service and maintenance, but still have not got a direct start 9u in fleet of old junk that runs.
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1 week 5 days ago #256149 by LangdonStevenson
Gemdozer - I have confirmed spark on both sides, so cables, plugs, and magneto are good.

212 grader, 301.5CR excavator, 226B3 skid steer (and fingers crossed a D6 8U coming my way soon!)

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1 week 5 days ago #256150 by LangdonStevenson
Hi Ray. Thank you for the input. Given how long this machine has been sitting it's very possible that the carburettor is clogged up. Sounds like pulling it off and giving it a thorough clean is the next logical step.

The owner said that the last time they ran it it was only running on one cylinder, so that matches your description.

212 grader, 301.5CR excavator, 226B3 skid steer (and fingers crossed a D6 8U coming my way soon!)

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1 week 5 days ago #256153 by LangdonStevenson
UPDATE: I have pulled the fuel tank and carburettor off the pony motor and will take them back to Sydney for a good clean.


 

212 grader, 301.5CR excavator, 226B3 skid steer (and fingers crossed a D6 8U coming my way soon!)
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1 week 5 days ago #256157 by neil
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Langdon, see how that brass tube sticks out of the cast iron "bullseye". A problem that sometimes occurs is that the gasket loses the inner part / fails to seal correctly, and that can cause running problems. Also, if you flip the fuel bowl over 180 from that shown in your photo above, there is a small lead plug on that passage that runs across the bottom of the bowl. Check that you can run fuel through that passage and if it seems that it doesn't flow well, you can drill the lead plug out carefully, then using a small drill bit (I think 1/8") in your fingers, "drill" that passage out until you get to clean metal. Use a .177 cal BB pellet with some epoxy to reseal the opening. If that all works and you get it running but it won't idle, there's a passage on the side of the throttle body that runs to the idle "jet" which is just a small brass plug with a notch in the side. That also needs to be able to flow for the pony to idle well

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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1 week 5 days ago #256159 by LangdonStevenson
Neil - thank you for all of that, it's much appreciated! I'll have a go at cleaning the carby over the weekend.

212 grader, 301.5CR excavator, 226B3 skid steer (and fingers crossed a D6 8U coming my way soon!)

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1 week 2 hours ago #256276 by trainzkid88
try as gemdozer suggested and swap the leads over i made nice new leads for the d4 and ASSumed it was left contact goes to left cyl right to the right cyl no its opposite. much swearing and head scratching occurred till it was suggested to swap them over and away it went we were winding it over using a small electric motor and vee belt so we at least weren't stuffed from the effort.

dont assume it makes an ass out of you and me.

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