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Jon Auty
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Hello everyone, finally decided to get myself into gear and get posting some of my progress on the restoration of my D2 (3J). from what i can gather from the previous owner it arrived in the UK in WW2 and had been on the same farm for most of its working life, untill it was parked up for 10 years when it was replaced by a modern tractor, it was then purchased by the previous owners.father to restore where it was stood for another 7 years. but due to his passing it was then put up for sale on ebay. £850 later and i became the new owner.

looked in a rough condition but it was worth rescuing. how hard could it be? i overhaul and repair plant equipment for the UK CAT dealer, it couldnt be too hard to restore, could it?, but i was wrong


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turned out it was alot worse than first thought, donkey engine was cracked aswell as the main block. fuel pump elements and injectors siezed solid.

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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 2:58 AM
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first job - strip donkey engine - block poorly repaired using belzona, block sent for repair but too badly damaged to be fixed 😞
main engine removed from gearbox and stripped for repair - engine found to be full of silt, piston liners had to be removed by means of specially made dolly and a 14lb sledgehammer as they were glued in by the silt.

the main bearings had picked up on the crankshaft and pulled metal from the bearings camshaft bearings and conrod big end bearings were found to be excessively worn, the engine was stripped completely down to the block to be block stitched and then cleaned in a caustic wash

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now the task begins of locating bearings and gaskets! does anyone have any sources for these before i go ahead and have them re-metaled or made from scratch?
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 3:17 AM
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Looks like quite a project. Still, there's lots of sheetmetal there that has frequently gone missing over the years. That's got to be worth something. Any idea if it was ever overhauled before or how many hours it ran?
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 3:31 AM
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Looks like quite a project. Still, there's lots of sheetmetal there that has frequently gone missing over the years. That's got to be worth something. Any idea if it was ever overhauled before or how many hours it ran?
from first look its had some work previous, not vast amounts though, new sprocket rims welded on, few rollers changed (1 U-model roller fitted to it), grousers built up etc, but as far as engine work its only had a bearing replaced on number 2 conrod, and a new pump element for number 4 as i remember. i cant remember the hours off the top of my head without digging the box out with the stripped injection pump, but it was'nt a right lot, but the wear on the machine doesnt match up, it might have had a new clock fitted or reset when the new pump element was fitted.
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 3:37 AM
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Reply to Jon Auty:
from first look its had some work previous, not vast amounts though, new sprocket rims welded on, few rollers changed (1 U-model roller fitted to it), grousers built up etc, but as far as engine work its only had a bearing replaced on number 2 conrod, and a new pump element for number 4 as i remember. i cant remember the hours off the top of my head without digging the box out with the stripped injection pump, but it was'nt a right lot, but the wear on the machine doesnt match up, it might have had a new clock fitted or reset when the new pump element was fitted.
Jon,
great to see the challenge of this particular machine isn't putting you off! Gaskets from Olson's Gaskets or of course Cat - I've bought most of my gaskets from Cat as it happens. Most everything is available, which is quite amazing for a 75 year old machine. I'm working on 3J4086 which isn't quite in as bad shape as yours by the sounds of it but I'm challenged by facilities. A fellow in the U.K. is selling piston and liner groups if you need them, and there's lots of stuff available here in the U.S. for the price of shipping. My pony was also badly cracked through the water jacket but I had it brazed anyway and filled it with Bars Leaks or something like that and it's mostly stopped leaking. I figure I'll keep tickling it and at some point the leak will stop. It runs just fine and I did the crank/new main and rod bearings and pistons (from Oztralia!). Keep at it and keep posting pics!
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 4:50 AM
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Jon,
great to see the challenge of this particular machine isn't putting you off! Gaskets from Olson's Gaskets or of course Cat - I've bought most of my gaskets from Cat as it happens. Most everything is available, which is quite amazing for a 75 year old machine. I'm working on 3J4086 which isn't quite in as bad shape as yours by the sounds of it but I'm challenged by facilities. A fellow in the U.K. is selling piston and liner groups if you need them, and there's lots of stuff available here in the U.S. for the price of shipping. My pony was also badly cracked through the water jacket but I had it brazed anyway and filled it with Bars Leaks or something like that and it's mostly stopped leaking. I figure I'll keep tickling it and at some point the leak will stop. It runs just fine and I did the crank/new main and rod bearings and pistons (from Oztralia!). Keep at it and keep posting pics!
Cheers,
Neil
For what its worth, you are making feel much better about mine, which I spent the morning removing grease an old paint from with a wire wheel. That job could lead to drinking.

Greg
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 5:30 AM
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For what its worth, you are making feel much better about mine, which I spent the morning removing grease an old paint from with a wire wheel. That job could lead to drinking.

Greg
Hello Jon,

Thanks for the photos. Having recently finished a restoration of a D2 4U I just wanted to say that it is the journey, not the destination that really counts. If you enjoy the journey of restoration as much as I did, despite the low points, you will be well satisfied, and the finished result is just a bonus. Keep up the good work and best wishes.

Robert
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 1:23 PM
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Hello Jon,

Thanks for the photos. Having recently finished a restoration of a D2 4U I just wanted to say that it is the journey, not the destination that really counts. If you enjoy the journey of restoration as much as I did, despite the low points, you will be well satisfied, and the finished result is just a bonus. Keep up the good work and best wishes.

Robert
Thanks for the comments everyone. Ive been intouch about the piston packs as i'll be needing 4 of them, 3 out of 4 were scrap. It seems extremely hard to locate parts in the UK, even on our cat parts database at work ( Finning Uk ), doesnt list a right lot of parts, its showing most parts are discontinued, the main bearings and camshaft bearings are taking alot of finding. I'll be alot happier when all the pieces come together and i can get started building the engine back up.

If i had to do all of this one by hand greg i would be cursing! Luckily work have a strong caustic wash that strips parts down to bare steel, and a high pressure and temperature wash to clean them off after. It made it much easier, just sling them in and go for a cuppa😄
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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 2:46 PM
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Thanks for the comments everyone. Ive been intouch about the piston packs as i'll be needing 4 of them, 3 out of 4 were scrap. It seems extremely hard to locate parts in the UK, even on our cat parts database at work ( Finning Uk ), doesnt list a right lot of parts, its showing most parts are discontinued, the main bearings and camshaft bearings are taking alot of finding. I'll be alot happier when all the pieces come together and i can get started building the engine back up.

If i had to do all of this one by hand greg i would be cursing! Luckily work have a strong caustic wash that strips parts down to bare steel, and a high pressure and temperature wash to clean them off after. It made it much easier, just sling them in and go for a cuppa😄
Hello Jon ,

For engine liner parts and pistons try Henrie Price in the UK .
He also have cylinder head valves .
here his phone nrs ,


PRICEPARTS
FOR VINTAGE CATERPILLAR ENGINE COMPONENTS
TEL 01454 261798
FAX 01454 261921
MOBILE 07836 575825

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Sun, Mar 3, 2013 3:26 PM
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Hello Jon ,

For engine liner parts and pistons try Henrie Price in the UK .
He also have cylinder head valves .
here his phone nrs ,


PRICEPARTS
FOR VINTAGE CATERPILLAR ENGINE COMPONENTS
TEL 01454 261798
FAX 01454 261921
MOBILE 07836 575825

Hollandcat
thanks Hollandcat, ive spoken with henry previously regarding the piston packs, i will be ordering 4 from him once i have located a set of bearings and gasket set, i can start building then!
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Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:18 AM
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thanks Hollandcat, ive spoken with henry previously regarding the piston packs, i will be ordering 4 from him once i have located a set of bearings and gasket set, i can start building then!
Quite a project you have set up for yourself Jon. While I applaud you bringing the old gal back to life, I question the cost benefit of restoring a D2 that far gone. It kinda reminds me of a story a friend told me one time about restoring a Jaguar XJS. He said by the time he was through, he basically just lifted the shift knob off it and rolled a newly rebuilt car under it! I've done enough old motorcycle restorations to relate. IMHO you would have been many pounds ahead by purchasing a decent running D2 from the states and importing it. I still see running D2's, some even with blades for $2,500 - $3,500. Well, good luck anyway and thanks for sharing your efforts.
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