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Starting on my D2 again

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FixCatandCummins92
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I have a '49 D2 I recently bought from a guy, he said he wasn't sure if the owner before him had it running or not.
Here are my issues.

Magneto cap and rotor missing
Main engine appears locked up (although I think im getting some movement now!)
Main clutch slips (I can tell cause if the motor is locked up, it should stop the dozer when being pulled)

there are other odds and ends but thats the main stuff. I am new to ACMOC and new to my equipment as well. So any advice, thoughts, help would be great!

I work as a school bus mechanic, those are yellow, so it should help!!
I will have pictures up soon

Thanks again,
Randy
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Mon, Aug 6, 2012 11:45 PM
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Randy,

How do you know your clutch is slipping? You pull the lever back to engage it and it should snap when it locks in (kinda like a 2 cylinder Deere but backwards). The clutch disc is a fiber disc with teeth on the outer edge that slip into matching teeth in the flywheel. It's common for those teeth to wear or break off the clutch disc so the flywheel no longer drives the clutch disc. When that happens you engage the clutch and the flywheel just rotates around it. You must split the tractor to replace the clutch.

If your engine is stuck I would recommend pulling the head off just to take a look inside. Rainwater has a bad habit of finding ways to get inside an engine. Water can do unspeakable things to Valves, Valve Seats, Pistons and Cylinder Walls.

Magneto parts should be available from Caterpillar or just about any magneto repair shop. You could also try NAPA for mag parts too.

Rich
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'46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep, '39 Buick sedan, '49 International KB-7, '37 Allis Chalmers WC, Cushman Scooter(s)
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 3:33 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
Randy,

How do you know your clutch is slipping? You pull the lever back to engage it and it should snap when it locks in (kinda like a 2 cylinder Deere but backwards). The clutch disc is a fiber disc with teeth on the outer edge that slip into matching teeth in the flywheel. It's common for those teeth to wear or break off the clutch disc so the flywheel no longer drives the clutch disc. When that happens you engage the clutch and the flywheel just rotates around it. You must split the tractor to replace the clutch.

If your engine is stuck I would recommend pulling the head off just to take a look inside. Rainwater has a bad habit of finding ways to get inside an engine. Water can do unspeakable things to Valves, Valve Seats, Pistons and Cylinder Walls.

Magneto parts should be available from Caterpillar or just about any magneto repair shop. You could also try NAPA for mag parts too.

Rich
Rich,

When I pull the clutch lever back i get a good "snap" It will bog the lead tractor (pulling me) down. I can then "steer" with a load on the tracks. I truely want to pull the head, but dont have the building to do it in at the moment, I put a penetrant down the exhaust in hopes of breaking the rings free and dislodging any rust in the cylinders. I did pull the valve cover and valvetrain apart and none of my valves are stuck. It was clean as a whistle under the valve cover. I do know the best thing to do is to pull it apart, but for the time being I dont know if I want to do that. I didn't know NAPA offered mag parts? Thanks for the advice! It is an American Bosch mag, I purchased a shop manual at the Jones show this last weekend, should help! Also I do have a blade on mine, was wondering if the hydraulic pump might be holding me back on rotation?? Is that hard to get apart?? I can get the crank to turn about 5 to 10 degrees each way (hard to tell from operators position)

Looking forward to this thing, should be a neat project.
Thanks for the help and posts, any advice or comments are welcome
Want to soak up all the info I can!
Thanks,

Randy
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:55 PM
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Reply to FixCatandCummins92:
Rich,

When I pull the clutch lever back i get a good "snap" It will bog the lead tractor (pulling me) down. I can then "steer" with a load on the tracks. I truely want to pull the head, but dont have the building to do it in at the moment, I put a penetrant down the exhaust in hopes of breaking the rings free and dislodging any rust in the cylinders. I did pull the valve cover and valvetrain apart and none of my valves are stuck. It was clean as a whistle under the valve cover. I do know the best thing to do is to pull it apart, but for the time being I dont know if I want to do that. I didn't know NAPA offered mag parts? Thanks for the advice! It is an American Bosch mag, I purchased a shop manual at the Jones show this last weekend, should help! Also I do have a blade on mine, was wondering if the hydraulic pump might be holding me back on rotation?? Is that hard to get apart?? I can get the crank to turn about 5 to 10 degrees each way (hard to tell from operators position)

Looking forward to this thing, should be a neat project.
Thanks for the help and posts, any advice or comments are welcome
Want to soak up all the info I can!
Thanks,

Randy
If the compression lever is in the "START" position, any water in the cylinders will blow out as there is no compression.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:37 PM
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If the compression lever is in the "START" position, any water in the cylinders will blow out as there is no compression.
Thanks! drujinin

I am missing the lever and likage for decompression, but i can still move the arm at the back of the head.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:53 PM
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Thanks! drujinin

I am missing the lever and likage for decompression, but i can still move the arm at the back of the head.


My son used to complain of this when he continued to blow off his chores.....

Seems to me it could be called motivation! Naturally it was just a love tap. 😆
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:35 PM
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My son used to complain of this when he continued to blow off his chores.....

Seems to me it could be called motivation! Naturally it was just a love tap. 😆
Old_n_slo,

hahaha, I never would have found or compared that! Thats hilarious👍
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:47 PM
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Old_n_slo,

hahaha, I never would have found or compared that! Thats hilarious👍
If you can get the crank to rotate you're probably going to be okay. The hydraulic pump could be holding things up but I wouldn't bet on it. You could have crap in one or more cylinders, a stuck lifter(s), stuck injector pump lifter, etc. etc. Keep the loose juice flowing into the cylinders and let it soak. Try rocking the engine back & forth. If you can pull the hydraulic pump off that would help, you could even make a tool to go through the radiator and engage the crank to help roll the engine over.

When I first looked at the D2 I bought last October it was stuck. As I was pulling on the fan blades I noticed the crank wiggling a bit. After rocking the fan back & forth the crank would move farther each time until it would roll completely around (bad idea on my part, that only drove the purchase price up :lol😊. Hopefully you'll get lucky too.

P.S. I don't have a building to work in either (my garage is WAAAAAY to full) but a good shade tree works too. Just keep everything clean and covered.
Rich Salvaggio
D2 5U9917
'46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep, '39 Buick sedan, '49 International KB-7, '37 Allis Chalmers WC, Cushman Scooter(s)
Antique garden tractors & outboard motors
Other rusty old junk comes & goes without warning.

The 2 most useful tools to have in your shop are a Crystal Ball and a Magic Wand
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Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:25 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
If you can get the crank to rotate you're probably going to be okay. The hydraulic pump could be holding things up but I wouldn't bet on it. You could have crap in one or more cylinders, a stuck lifter(s), stuck injector pump lifter, etc. etc. Keep the loose juice flowing into the cylinders and let it soak. Try rocking the engine back & forth. If you can pull the hydraulic pump off that would help, you could even make a tool to go through the radiator and engage the crank to help roll the engine over.

When I first looked at the D2 I bought last October it was stuck. As I was pulling on the fan blades I noticed the crank wiggling a bit. After rocking the fan back & forth the crank would move farther each time until it would roll completely around (bad idea on my part, that only drove the purchase price up :lol😊. Hopefully you'll get lucky too.

P.S. I don't have a building to work in either (my garage is WAAAAAY to full) but a good shade tree works too. Just keep everything clean and covered.
Thanks Rich,

I hope to have more progress on it when I get home, I'll keep everyone updated, thanks for the advice!

Randy
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Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:37 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
If you can get the crank to rotate you're probably going to be okay. The hydraulic pump could be holding things up but I wouldn't bet on it. You could have crap in one or more cylinders, a stuck lifter(s), stuck injector pump lifter, etc. etc. Keep the loose juice flowing into the cylinders and let it soak. Try rocking the engine back & forth. If you can pull the hydraulic pump off that would help, you could even make a tool to go through the radiator and engage the crank to help roll the engine over.

When I first looked at the D2 I bought last October it was stuck. As I was pulling on the fan blades I noticed the crank wiggling a bit. After rocking the fan back & forth the crank would move farther each time until it would roll completely around (bad idea on my part, that only drove the purchase price up :lol😊. Hopefully you'll get lucky too.

P.S. I don't have a building to work in either (my garage is WAAAAAY to full) but a good shade tree works too. Just keep everything clean and covered.
I always figured that if they could keep tractors running up on the Alaskan/Canadian highway by working under a tree or tarp, then I wouldn't complain too much about working outside.
Of course the Air Conditioning in summer and Heat in winter in the insulated shop are nice! 😆
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Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:40 AM
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I always figured that if they could keep tractors running up on the Alaskan/Canadian highway by working under a tree or tarp, then I wouldn't complain too much about working outside.
Of course the Air Conditioning in summer and Heat in winter in the insulated shop are nice! 😆
Don't want to sound too negative, but the D4 I bought which was siezed also had some engine/crank rotation. All local Cat the experts told me it would be water in the cylinders and an easy fix.

But it turned out to be a couple of siezed main bearings and one big end. In the end the crank was stuffed due to heat stress fractures caused by the siezure.

Hopefully this is not you're problem but it may pay to pull the sump and have a look first just in case you can salvage the situation and not make it any worse. Good luck it will be worth it in the end.
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Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:48 AM
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