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Jed
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My friend bought a Cat with the serial number 6G44SPS7. That number is on the engine. The rear tag is covered by the large winch on the back. What do we have here?

Thanks for the help.

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Tue, Jun 8, 2010 6:36 AM
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My little book says gas thirty the first one out the door in 1936 second year of production. The SP means special parts likely gearing but could be anything S7 I can't help with that bit. Your example became the R4 in 1938 this was only a name change as far as I know possibly to stop confusion with the earlier model Thirty
Post a couple of photos will help you get more information.
There are plenty of people on here who know more than me.
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Tue, Jun 8, 2010 10:01 AM
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Reply to wimmera farmer:
My little book says gas thirty the first one out the door in 1936 second year of production. The SP means special parts likely gearing but could be anything S7 I can't help with that bit. Your example became the R4 in 1938 this was only a name change as far as I know possibly to stop confusion with the earlier model Thirty
Post a couple of photos will help you get more information.
There are plenty of people on here who know more than me.
Cheers from Australia wimmera farmer
based on you serial number it should have thirty on the rad. Starting with serial number 6G875 the name was changed to R4 with production stopping in 12-31-42
Weight is 9390 lbs.
35 HP drawbar
40 HP pto
nebraska test no. 272
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1901&context=tractormuseumlit
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Tue, Jun 8, 2010 5:47 PM
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based on you serial number it should have thirty on the rad. Starting with serial number 6G875 the name was changed to R4 with production stopping in 12-31-42
Weight is 9390 lbs.
35 HP drawbar
40 HP pto
nebraska test no. 272
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1901&context=tractormuseumlit
Thanks for the information. I'll try to head over and get a few pictures of it. I think he said it has an R-4 radiator. Must be a mixture of a couple different Cats. Maybe we'll pull the winch and see if there is a serial number tag for the machine under it.
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Wed, Jun 9, 2010 4:09 AM
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Reply to Jed:
Thanks for the information. I'll try to head over and get a few pictures of it. I think he said it has an R-4 radiator. Must be a mixture of a couple different Cats. Maybe we'll pull the winch and see if there is a serial number tag for the machine under it.
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I would be 99% sure that there is a U in front of the S7. You better tell your friend to have a good look. The reason being some WW2 tractors had US7 at the end of the serial number. SP at the end of the S/N is also very common for WW2 tractors as well because the Milltary often liked to have special features like different gearing, generator and lighting set ups on there tractors etc.

US7 at the end of a serial indicates that the tractor was part of the WW2 US 7th fleet. Other army equipment not just caterpillar was stamped with US7 at the end of their S/N.

If you want to read further about the US 7th fleet refer to this thread with good info from OZD - http://www.acmocbb.org/ACMOC_BB/showthread.php?5117-info&highlight=us7

There is few D4/R4's with US7 at the end of the serial number.

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Wed, Jun 9, 2010 3:41 PM
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Howdy

I would be 99% sure that there is a U in front of the S7. You better tell your friend to have a good look. The reason being some WW2 tractors had US7 at the end of the serial number. SP at the end of the S/N is also very common for WW2 tractors as well because the Milltary often liked to have special features like different gearing, generator and lighting set ups on there tractors etc.

US7 at the end of a serial indicates that the tractor was part of the WW2 US 7th fleet. Other army equipment not just caterpillar was stamped with US7 at the end of their S/N.

If you want to read further about the US 7th fleet refer to this thread with good info from OZD - http://www.acmocbb.org/ACMOC_BB/showthread.php?5117-info&highlight=us7

There is few D4/R4's with US7 at the end of the serial number.

Billy
Hi Billy , Our R4 has US7 on it and our D47J has it also .Ian .
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Wed, Jun 9, 2010 5:10 PM
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Hi Billy , Our R4 has US7 on it and our D47J has it also .Ian .
I got a chance to look at the Cat today. Sure enough there is a "U" before the S7. It's hard to see because the "P" from "SP" is actually inside the "U". It does have a gen. and electric start.
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Reply to Jed:
I got a chance to look at the Cat today. Sure enough there is a "U" before the S7. It's hard to see because the "P" from "SP" is actually inside the "U". It does have a gen. and electric start.
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Regarding 6G44SP US7. It seems unusual that a tractor built in early 1936 would have been marked and used by the 7th Fleet in WW II. The machine would have been 5 years old at the beginning of WW II.

Also, there are several updated features on this machine that were not used on the early 6G THIRTY:

- oil breather design not used until 6G1103
- oil filter was not used until 6G1214
- two carrier rollers were used until single introduced 6G784
- Radiator top tank should be marked "THIRTY" (not "Caterpillar")
- Mushroom precleaner used until 6G927

So, the tractor has had numerous component upgrades or an early engine block was installed or the Serial Number is mis-read.
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based on you serial number it should have thirty on the rad. Starting with serial number 6G875 the name was changed to R4 with production stopping in 12-31-42
Weight is 9390 lbs.
35 HP drawbar
40 HP pto
nebraska test no. 272
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1901&context=tractormuseumlit
Chriscokid - A point of clarification. The top tank radiator change at 6G876 was that "THIRTY" was removed and replaced by "Caterpillar". But the sales model continued as model "THIRTY"" by using the small nameplate tag on lower sides of radiator. See attached photo. The name change to "R4" was later, but the exact serial number for the change is not known.


[quote="chriscokid"]based on you serial number it should have thirty on the rad. Starting with serial number 6G875 the name was changed to R4 with production stopping in 12-31-42
Weight is 9390 lbs.
35 HP drawbar
40 HP pto
nebraska test no. 272
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1901&context=tractormuseumlit[/quote]
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Chriscokid - A point of clarification. The top tank radiator change at 6G876 was that "THIRTY" was removed and replaced by "Caterpillar". But the sales model continued as model "THIRTY"" by using the small nameplate tag on lower sides of radiator. See attached photo. The name change to "R4" was later, but the exact serial number for the change is not known.


[quote="chriscokid"]based on you serial number it should have thirty on the rad. Starting with serial number 6G875 the name was changed to R4 with production stopping in 12-31-42
Weight is 9390 lbs.
35 HP drawbar
40 HP pto
nebraska test no. 272
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1901&context=tractormuseumlit[/quote]
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sorry for my mistake
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Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:19 PM
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sorry for my mistake
I would wonder if maybe it had been assembled from several "dead" or parts tractors. If different numbers are on the rear of the tranny (you'd have to pull the winch to see 'em), that would be the giveaway.
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