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RABBIT2
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I have a 1937 RD4 caterpillar s/n #4g4344. It has a cracked engine block(prev owner let the engine freeze with no anti-freeze in the system). My question is, will engine block s/n 9S6461 or engine block s/n 7U18236 interchange with my cracked block s/n 4g4344 so that I can take the parts/assc off my old block and rebuild one of the "other" blocks and have a good engine? Thank you for any/all help.
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:38 AM
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I do know that the 7U block won't work, that is a completely different engine
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:45 AM
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Reply to STEPHEN:
I do know that the 7U block won't work, that is a completely different engine
The 9S is also a D315 engine where your 4G is a D4400.
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:04 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The 9S is also a D315 engine where your 4G is a D4400.
STEPHEN and OLD MAGNET thanks for your help. I figured it was to good to be true.
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:36 AM
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Reply to RABBIT2:
STEPHEN and OLD MAGNET thanks for your help. I figured it was to good to be true.
I'm not sure if you can put a 315 in place os 4400 but I have a 7U tailseat that the guy I got it from put a 4400 in it and seems to all work well
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 10:07 AM
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Reply to Willie:
I'm not sure if you can put a 315 in place os 4400 but I have a 7U tailseat that the guy I got it from put a 4400 in it and seems to all work well
WILLIE, are you saying that a 315 "might" work in place of my 4400?
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 10:49 AM
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WILLIE, are you saying that a 315 "might" work in place of my 4400?
I have seen a few early D4's (4G, 7J, 2T, 5T) that had later D315 power units in them. It's funny to look at the radiator badge of a repowered D4 that Says D315.

That being said I have NOT done that conversion, I don't know what you will find.

I would have to make a sum what educated guess that a 6U or 7U tractor D315 engine would drop in there no problem, the D315 power unit approach might require changing the flywheel, bell housing, oil pan, or governor settings depending on what the engine was previously used for.


Now to really upset the purists I have a 4G36 that might be getting a real late model engine from a Cat skid steer in the coming years. It only exists in PRO-E (computer modeling program) right now. My buddy took some CMM measurements of both engines the problem is the model is rejecting the frame support structure for the front springs and a few problems with the clutch arrangement. This repower project won't start until after I get a 2T600 that my grandfather bought war surplus in the 1940's going. Nothing major just a frozen main engine, no steering or brake parts or linkages, stored outside for 10 years after my cousin tore in to the steering department. Here is that story on ACME. http://www.antiquecaterpillar.net/ACF_v2/showthread.php?t=14475
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 11:31 AM
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WILLIE, are you saying that a 315 "might" work in place of my 4400?
Tomorrow in the light I will look mine over good and take some pics, like I say its a 4400 taking place of 315, if you can change 1 way I wouldnt know why you could change the otherway after all Cat used many of its crude designs for 30 or more yrs if you look at a parts book from the 70s and 80s youll see many part numbers that start with A - S and L from the 20s
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 11:36 AM
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Tomorrow in the light I will look mine over good and take some pics, like I say its a 4400 taking place of 315, if you can change 1 way I wouldnt know why you could change the otherway after all Cat used many of its crude designs for 30 or more yrs if you look at a parts book from the 70s and 80s youll see many part numbers that start with A - S and L from the 20s
CR and WILLIE, Thank you for the info.
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 12:19 PM
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CR and WILLIE, Thank you for the info.
Found this insert in one of my Parts Manuals😊 😊

I don't know if there is a limit to the serial numbers that will interchange or the insert reflects the period it was published in. (Article found in a 5T Parts Manual)

Seems later units would interchange also.
Edit: Did some checking 7U28232 is where the block changed to the balancer engine along with the bell housing.

Looks like either your 7U18236 or the 9S6461 (using tractor change over parts) are candidate replacement engines.
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Sun, Sep 6, 2009 11:22 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Found this insert in one of my Parts Manuals😊 😊

I don't know if there is a limit to the serial numbers that will interchange or the insert reflects the period it was published in. (Article found in a 5T Parts Manual)

Seems later units would interchange also.
Edit: Did some checking 7U28232 is where the block changed to the balancer engine along with the bell housing.

Looks like either your 7U18236 or the 9S6461 (using tractor change over parts) are candidate replacement engines.
Old MAGNET, If I'am understanding you right, your saying either one of these two blocks will interchange on to my 4G4344? Is there a conversion chart some where that tells me what parts other than the bell housing I will need or can use off my cat and what parts that I would need to round up to make it work? Thank you for your help.
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