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RD4 4G pony spark plug leak

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FLDrew91
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Sounds crazy but my spark plugs are leaking. Just got to my shop to check on things after TS Gordon, began the start up procedure for my RD4 and drained water out of the left pony cylinder, and a little form the right. The machine was covered and all openings shut/ sealed per usual. The cover did blow off but all the other plugs and cans were good. I checked my radiator water level and it was the same as I had left it. No water in the pony oil. Now water in the gas tank. I left both petcocks open and pulled the motor over until nothing came out. Shot some oil in both cylinders and pulled the motor under compression. Drained again and a little more water came out the left petcock. Did this for about 45 min till nothing was draining. I pulled the plugs, opened the drains and put a blow torch on low in the plugs holes to help dry it out. Let it sit for a few minutes and there was no more water draining. Started the pony and noticed it was underpowered and had a constant hard leak coming from around the plug base. It would turn the main over decompressed but died soon after. I checked again for water drainage but got nothing.

I’m thinking with all the hard driving rain we’ve had it’s not impossible for water to have gotten into the cylinder thru the leak but I’d like other opinions/ advice. How can/ should I fix the spark plug leaks? I thinking I’m going to find a water dye and test to for a crack/ leak.
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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 4:20 AM
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Check the pony air cleaner bowl too
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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 5:40 AM
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Reply to neil:
Check the pony air cleaner bowl too
The pony doesn’t have an air cleaner, just straight pipe with a twist lock cap.
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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 10:33 AM
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Reply to FLDrew91:
The pony doesn’t have an air cleaner, just straight pipe with a twist lock cap.
The plug shouldn't leak anything if it is tight. If you can't stop water getting in the cylinder then think about removing the head and checking for cracks, un-level head/block etc. Go from there. Also consider bad manifold gasket/rust damage.
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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 11:32 AM
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Reply to STEPHEN:
The plug shouldn't leak anything if it is tight. If you can't stop water getting in the cylinder then think about removing the head and checking for cracks, un-level head/block etc. Go from there. Also consider bad manifold gasket/rust damage.
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Don't know if this fits your situation but could the rain run down the SIDES of the exhaust pipe and then into cracks in the manifold where it joins the exhaust pipe. I had this happen to me once and spent a fair amount of time cahising the cause of the water intrusion.

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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 9:15 PM
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It is suspicious that this occurred during the storm. Doesn't the pony exhaust exit the side of the diesel intake just behind the air cleaner. With torrential rainfall coming sideways, couldn't this have all started with blown in rainfall?

Now, if I am understanding you correctly, you have an obvious leak around the plugs. Sounds like you need some new heads and head gaskets. They have to be cracked if water is coming out around the sparkplug threads. I suppose you might try some high temp pipe thread sealant or antiseize compound and see if that might take care of it.

I would figure out a way to pressurize the cooling system to 10 pounds or so and remove sparkpkugs to inspect for the source of leakage. I suppose its possible a new head gasket might do it. Its not much trouble to remove the pony heads and the copper gaskets can usually be reused as is or certainly after spraying a thin coat of copper coat aerosol or similar product.
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Thu, Sep 6, 2018 10:20 PM
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It is suspicious that this occurred during the storm. Doesn't the pony exhaust exit the side of the diesel intake just behind the air cleaner. With torrential rainfall coming sideways, couldn't this have all started with blown in rainfall?

Now, if I am understanding you correctly, you have an obvious leak around the plugs. Sounds like you need some new heads and head gaskets. They have to be cracked if water is coming out around the sparkplug threads. I suppose you might try some high temp pipe thread sealant or antiseize compound and see if that might take care of it.

I would figure out a way to pressurize the cooling system to 10 pounds or so and remove sparkpkugs to inspect for the source of leakage. I suppose its possible a new head gasket might do it. Its not much trouble to remove the pony heads and the copper gaskets can usually be reused as is or certainly after spraying a thin coat of copper coat aerosol or similar product.
well fellas, I haven’t drained anymore water out of either side so I think I can rule out a head gasket issue or cracked block. I think there is a crack/ hole somewhere in/ on the intake manifoldthat let the water in. The leaking spark plug seems to be coming from some chewed up threads. Think I’ll try a thread sealer. I have a spare manifold so I’m going to change them out.
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Fri, Sep 7, 2018 11:29 PM
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well fellas, I haven’t drained anymore water out of either side so I think I can rule out a head gasket issue or cracked block. I think there is a crack/ hole somewhere in/ on the intake manifoldthat let the water in. The leaking spark plug seems to be coming from some chewed up threads. Think I’ll try a thread sealer. I have a spare manifold so I’m going to change them out.


No plug gasket? Wrong plug? The threads don't seal anything
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