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A little OT and off brand but I think a few of you would enjoy this. I am really hoping someone might have information as to what happened to this unit as it was very rare to have mule team pull a Harvester. The area was north of Pendleton Washington and the gentleman that owned it was I believe Don Thomas, but that's all could be remembered. This film was shot in the 1970's, I apologize for the poor audio and video angle. Hopefully one of you will have some more information to share.
[video]https://youtu.be/XfS6xtXapGI[/video]
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 12:03 PM
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You are correct Richard, that is the Don Thomas outfit in Waitsburg WA. That film was shot the first year of Mule Harvest, 1982.

The first year this was done mules were brought in from MO to supplement Don's as he did not enough to make up the 33 hitch and he wanted a matched set..

Although this film does not show it the start time was a long time as the old timers could not always remember how to hook the hitch. The mules were very patient and put up with it.

The combine still exists although tragically it is sitting outside deteriorating in the elements. I would like to convert the machine back to pull with a 9U but it has two flat tires and there is no way I can afford to obtain new ones.

The machine is owned by a good friend of mine. I wish someone would find a good home for it. I am sure it could be for sale.
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 3:08 PM
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You are correct Richard, that is the Don Thomas outfit in Waitsburg WA. That film was shot the first year of Mule Harvest, 1982.

The first year this was done mules were brought in from MO to supplement Don's as he did not enough to make up the 33 hitch and he wanted a matched set..

Although this film does not show it the start time was a long time as the old timers could not always remember how to hook the hitch. The mules were very patient and put up with it.

The combine still exists although tragically it is sitting outside deteriorating in the elements. I would like to convert the machine back to pull with a 9U but it has two flat tires and there is no way I can afford to obtain new ones.

The machine is owned by a good friend of mine. I wish someone would find a good home for it. I am sure it could be for sale.
In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 5:39 PM
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In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul
awesome ag stuff!
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 6:33 PM
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Great post very interesting thanks.
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 7:22 PM
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Great post very interesting thanks.
Hey John tires are no problem I know I've got one that holds air, probably two. Also it should be noted, that combine has a double rack leveler, which would make it a 36-A. Most all I've ever seen around my country are 36-B or single rack leveler.

I also ended up with a few 36 cell belts and and drapers. Come and get em.

I'm far from an expert but I imagine the reason for more, smaller animals was that in the loose soils in that area, more animals would simply have more feet on the ground for better traction. I have read that mules were favored over horses because they were less nervous, and also when they needed a break they would just stop. Horses could be overworked and work themselves to death.

Grandpa told about when they got a combine with a engine, they were warned not to start the engine till they were on soft summer fallow. That way the horses wouldn't run very far before getting tired.

The combine in the movie presently sits in Waitsburg, Wa.

Bruce P
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 7:57 PM
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In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul
[quote="mrsmackpaul"]In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul[/quote]


Paul,
Here is a link;

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/08/difference-between-a-donkey-and-a-mule/
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 8:12 PM
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[quote="mrsmackpaul"]In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul[/quote]


Paul,
Here is a link;

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/08/difference-between-a-donkey-and-a-mule/
George Washington received a donkey, "Royal Gift", to be used in breeding mules from Spain and is credited with helping to get mules established in the farming industry.

http://www.mountvernon.org/digital-encyclopedia/article/royal-gift-donkey/

Not many folks know this but now our Forum members have had their knowledge expanded! I find this happens nearly everyday on this Forum.

JanM
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul
[quote="mrsmackpaul"]In any photos I have seen of these types of horse drawn headers (combines) in the US they either use what I would call a light horse or mules or donkeys (not sure of the difference between a mule and a donkey)
In Australia on headers any photos I have seen they always used draught or heavy horses

There must be a reason for using lots of lighter horses instead of fewer heavier horses ????

Anybody have any ideas as to why ?


Paul[/quote]
Hi Paul,
mule is a male donkey / female horse cross. My father, who ran Percherons, reckoned mules were cheaper to procure and operate although he himself had no experience in running mules so not sure if that data point is valid.
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 10:51 PM
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George Washington received a donkey, "Royal Gift", to be used in breeding mules from Spain and is credited with helping to get mules established in the farming industry.

http://www.mountvernon.org/digital-encyclopedia/article/royal-gift-donkey/

Not many folks know this but now our Forum members have had their knowledge expanded! I find this happens nearly everyday on this Forum.

JanM
Both the links provided are excellent information and very accurate. I have been riding and packing mules for over 30 years and have never owned a horse. You either love them or hate them, and it takes just a little different personality to really deal with them. We currently have 4 mules and my wife says there's a jackass here to but I haven't ran into him yet.
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Thu, Jun 29, 2017 10:56 PM
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Reply to d2gary:
Both the links provided are excellent information and very accurate. I have been riding and packing mules for over 30 years and have never owned a horse. You either love them or hate them, and it takes just a little different personality to really deal with them. We currently have 4 mules and my wife says there's a jackass here to but I haven't ran into him yet.
In my family's history there is a picture of my grandpa driving a sidehill combine about 1905. The power for the trashing was ground drive(no engine)and they only used 32 horses. So would assume a combine with engine would not need as many horses or mules.But the pictured machine has a grain tank that holds a ton plus that has to be pulled around when full. Back in the day of my family's picture the grain was bagged and bagges dropped in the field.

The comment a about the size of horses would go back to you used what you could get.

I have most of a John Deere 36B with steel wheels that needs a more loving home than I have been providing for them. There are parts of several others around to make a complete machine less the canvas that it sounds like Bruce has up in Washington.
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