Off topic - starting tractor with Shotgun shell

Doug,

I think you might be referring to an RFD TV episode which was highlighting a English Field Marshall tractor. I have not seen this tractor in person nor read about them but one has to presume that a true shotshell with lead pellets is NOT used (damage to tractor and possibly person starting the tractor) and a blank shell is used. I would think the flame that is provided by the shell as well as some of the rapid air movement combine to fire a primed cylinder(s)while starting the rotational movement without having to sprain a wrist cranking the tractor by hand.

Mind you this is postulation on my behalf.

Greg

I wonder how often a loaded shot gun shell was used by mistake? Sure looked like an ordinary 12 gauge shell would fit. Would keep the rabbits from sitting under the tractor. I think it was an RFD program I was watching. Thanks.

It seem like I saw a old movie with Jame Stwert where he had to start an airplane engine with what looked like a shot gun shell. It was the movie where they had crashed in the desert and rebuilt the plane to fly out.

It seem like I saw a old movie with Jame Stwert where he had to start an airplane engine with what looked like a shot gun shell. It was the movie where they had crashed in the desert and rebuilt the plane to fly out.

"Flight of the Phoenix" 😄

I had an Uncle that flew for the Army Air Corp during WW2 and he would tell about those cartridges. I understood they had both a charge to help turn over the engine over as well as ether or another substance that would fire. He said they would carry cases of them in the cockpit when flying over the Hump(himalayan mountains). The engines would freeze up and they would have to fly circles in the valleys until all the ice was off the wings and all the engines were running good and up to temperature! then they would head over another mountain!

Biggastractor

I had an Uncle that flew for the Army Air Corp during WW2 and he would tell about those cartridges. I understood they had both a charge to help turn over the engine over as well as ether or another substance that would fire. He said they would carry cases of them in the cockpit when flying over the Hump(himalayan mountains). The engines would freeze up and they would have to fly circles in the valleys until all the ice was off the wings and all the engines were running good and up to temperature! then they would head over another mountain!

Biggastractor

Hi,
Well although the cartridges are the same dimensions and pretty much identical to a normal 12 Bore cartridge.
The Starter cartridge has carbon particles instead of lead shot in them, this propells the piston over.

Here is a rough guide to starting one (from memory, i dont own one, but have friends who do).

1)Open throttle fully.
2)You take a threaded holder out of cylinder head first and prime engine by turning over with handle.
3)You set the arrow on the fly wheel inline with the arrow on frame,
4)Then set decompressor mechanism by placing the litle wheel one turn over on grooves on flywheel.
5)Set valve on cylinder head to cartridge start position.
6)Remove cartridge holder and insert cartridge, Tightening with a gentle tap from hammer.
7)Then you roll up a small square of paper (This is soaked in saltpetre, i believe).
😎You insert paper into threaded Holder and light exposed end with lighter or match. Then you blow out flame on paper, so it just glows ( very tricky on a windy day)
9)Re insert paper holder, also tightening with hammer.
10)Stand and tap pin on head of cartridge holder, smartly with hammer.
After a bang she is normally away. fingers crossed.

To start manually You do the above but:
In step 4) you place wheel 4 Grooves (This means engine turns 4 turns before coming onto compression)
5)Leave valve in hand start position
6) Ignore this step.
10 Instead you insert handle and wind as fast as you can, counting revolutions, getting ready to pull handle out after 4 turns. This is easier with two people, sometimes on Series 3 and 3A and Fowler VFA tractors, you try and get as many people as possibe to help you.
Not forgetting they were getting 40+ HP out of one cylinder.

Its about the only tractor in the world you set fire to and then shoot!!!!!
And you thought starting a D2/4/6/7/8/9 with a donkey engine was a handful.

The Field Marshall was the wheeled version, the Series 2 Was put on tracks and sold as the Fowler VF, the Series 3A was The Fowler VFA.
Hope this is of interest.

Fred

Oops forgot to mention, these are Diesel engines And you can certainly sprain more than a wrist while hand starting, I once read that you needed "the Body of an Ape cum Weight lifter". I can confirm this is definetely true, especially when you consider the starting handle is over 3 Feet long and at least 2 inches+ thick Solid steel.
I will try and find some pictures of Tractor to post.

Fred