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I have a little rant, I hope those are allowed here. I've been stewing on this for a while now. So this last summer I got my hands on a sweet little D2 5U. Got to run it for a couple of hours before I noticed some small issues that needed further inspection. It's been in my shop ever since. It seems that the previous owner didn't understand how maintenance hungry old machines are. The original owner obviously gave this rig great care. The track rollers need to be re-bushed, ect., from lack of grease. No big surprise. My latest discovery is the condition of the pony. I pulled it because I needed to repair the engagement pinion sleeve and really it's not that hard. That and when I went to do an oil change on it the oil was really bad. REALLY BAD. So after dismantling the pony I see that it was rebuilt at one point, many years ago. The job was done right and should've lasted basically forever. Well the bearings on the rotating assy. are showing signs of oil starvation. Now I'm super lucky since it looks like I'll just be able to polish this sucker up myself, install new .020 over bearings, and still be in spec. Like the title says, It's a darn shame. If the previous owner would've just changed the oil in this thing, and threw some grease at other points, this rig would be in amazingly good shape. So I guess the lesson for me is learn your machine. Learn where all the lube spots are. Take great care in maintaining and inspecting your old machine because parts are rare, expensive, and these suckers never break when they are parked. I've got a mile and a half of road to plow, 2-3 feet of snow (18"-24" more in the forecast), and my pickup can only plow so much snow. Oh well, it is what it is, and honestly what I paid for it, I'm still doing real good. Anyways, I just wanted to snivel and cry a bit here. I know there are many on here that feel my pain. Just wanted to vent to some folks that understand.
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 8:24 AM
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If I were a gambling man I would bet that the switch was shut off on the pony motor to kill it, instead of shutting the gas off and running the pony out of gas like every Cat operators manual will tell you. The gas shakes down into that little (barely over a quart) oil pan sump and the owner happily runs it along on oil that is mostly gas. You seen the results. Many owners have no clue that the switch is there for emergency shutdown only.
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 8:44 AM
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If I were a gambling man I would bet that the switch was shut off on the pony motor to kill it, instead of shutting the gas off and running the pony out of gas like every Cat operators manual will tell you. The gas shakes down into that little (barely over a quart) oil pan sump and the owner happily runs it along on oil that is mostly gas. You seen the results. Many owners have no clue that the switch is there for emergency shutdown only.


To further add to o-I-h's post, also check the pony oil level at EVERY startup, no exceptions. Doesn't matter if you already checked it this morning and have only shut the machine down once since - check it again before starting. That little 1 quart splash lube system doesn't handle adversity well, and if you've got a leaking main seal on the gear end of the crankshaft you won't see an external leak since the oil migrates down into the starting pinion compartment and you can be low and not suspect it. Another thing I've heard of happening is operators' hooking a stick or tree root with the track, pulling it up and breaking the pony oil drain tube off without knowing it happened. The next startup now has the pony running with a dry crankcase, and will likely be its last. Finally, change that oil often - its only a quart and oil is cheap compared to the cost of metal. If you can get them in good shape and take care of them they'll perform well for a long time.
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 9:56 AM
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To further add to o-I-h's post, also check the pony oil level at EVERY startup, no exceptions. Doesn't matter if you already checked it this morning and have only shut the machine down once since - check it again before starting. That little 1 quart splash lube system doesn't handle adversity well, and if you've got a leaking main seal on the gear end of the crankshaft you won't see an external leak since the oil migrates down into the starting pinion compartment and you can be low and not suspect it. Another thing I've heard of happening is operators' hooking a stick or tree root with the track, pulling it up and breaking the pony oil drain tube off without knowing it happened. The next startup now has the pony running with a dry crankcase, and will likely be its last. Finally, change that oil often - its only a quart and oil is cheap compared to the cost of metal. If you can get them in good shape and take care of them they'll perform well for a long time.
Suck it up, Buttercup...you could have found this in the pony... 😖mile:
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 11:17 AM
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Suck it up, Buttercup...you could have found this in the pony... 😖mile:
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I fully agree with OIH and Sasquatch. I would add that having a maintenance and operation manual in hand and studying it when taking possession of an older Cat is imperative. It's a shame when someone could just do a few minutes of preventative maintenance and save all of the work of rebuilding worn out parts.
D-4 7U-43159 with 4S dozer and Cat 40 scraper, D-7 3T-1179 with Cat 7S hydraulic dozer, D-7 17A 13,944, D-8 14A-1160 with Cat 8S cable dozer, Cat 12-99E-4433 Grader. All runners and users.
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 11:58 AM
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I fully agree with OIH and Sasquatch. I would add that having a maintenance and operation manual in hand and studying it when taking possession of an older Cat is imperative. It's a shame when someone could just do a few minutes of preventative maintenance and save all of the work of rebuilding worn out parts.
When I got the thing home I told my ol' lady that I needed to learn how to properly maintain it before I could do any work with it. It was an operational machine that drove onto and off the trailer so I did take her out for a little test drive (No way could I resist that) but other than that it just sits inside awaiting repairs. The guy I got it from gave me a couple of books for it but they don't cover the day to day maintenance stuff. I just ordered some reprint operation manual from eBay. Hopefully it's got good info. I think I've got a decent handle on how to take care of her tho. Thanks to Sasquatch I now know what the little oil cup is for so I'll be raiding my ladies fabric stash for some felt.

I'm kind of a stickler for maintenance. The only way I can afford to buy stuff is to buy broken junk and repair it. So if I don't maintain my equipment the best I can then costly repairs keep me from acquiring more broken junk to repair. It's the circle of life.
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 12:31 PM
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When I got the thing home I told my ol' lady that I needed to learn how to properly maintain it before I could do any work with it. It was an operational machine that drove onto and off the trailer so I did take her out for a little test drive (No way could I resist that) but other than that it just sits inside awaiting repairs. The guy I got it from gave me a couple of books for it but they don't cover the day to day maintenance stuff. I just ordered some reprint operation manual from eBay. Hopefully it's got good info. I think I've got a decent handle on how to take care of her tho. Thanks to Sasquatch I now know what the little oil cup is for so I'll be raiding my ladies fabric stash for some felt.

I'm kind of a stickler for maintenance. The only way I can afford to buy stuff is to buy broken junk and repair it. So if I don't maintain my equipment the best I can then costly repairs keep me from acquiring more broken junk to repair. It's the circle of life.
I've now spoken to my "Local" Cat dealer and Florin Tractor. .020 over bearings are available. Florin has to do some outsourcing for the mains. The bearings for the pony are going to cost about much as a complete engine rebuild kit for my ol' lady's 5.0 in her F150 (including pistons). But they are available so we be good. Waiting on my new/vintage Brown & Sharpe micrometers so I can be certain I'm still within tolerance.


A side note. Florin tractor has reman crankshafts for these pony motors. Standard/standard for $500. I shouldn't be needing one but for someone who does that could be handy info.
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