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-is it necessary to replace glow plugs before they fail? as routine maintenance?
-do they have a lifespan? depending on use, number of starts? or just randomly fail?
-best before date? etc..
-if they have resistance measured with an ohmmeter, is that good enough? or should it meet a certain level?
-just wondering..
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Mon, Apr 25, 2022 2:19 PM
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[quote="kittyman1 post=237466 userid=13667"]-is it necessary to replace glow plugs before they fail? as routine maintenance?
-do they have a lifespan? depending on use, number of starts? or just randomly fail?
-best before date? etc..
-if they have resistance measured with an ohmmeter, is that good enough? or should it meet a certain level?
-just wondering..[/quote]
Probably depends on your definition of necessary. I haven't seen any service manuals for any of the brands I've been into that talk about pre-emptively replacing glowplugs that still work. That said, if you "have the hood off", sometimes it's convenient to replace them all if one or two fail. I've had "random" glowplug failures, some after just a couple of years, and some after decades. Manufacturers often specify the acceptable resistance range for glowplugs
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Mon, Apr 25, 2022 7:41 PM
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[quote="kittyman1 post=237466 userid=13667"]-is it necessary to replace glow plugs before they fail? as routine maintenance?
-do they have a lifespan? depending on use, number of starts? or just randomly fail?
-best before date? etc..
-if they have resistance measured with an ohmmeter, is that good enough? or should it meet a certain level?
-just wondering..[/quote]
Probably depends on your definition of necessary. I haven't seen any service manuals for any of the brands I've been into that talk about pre-emptively replacing glowplugs that still work. That said, if you "have the hood off", sometimes it's convenient to replace them all if one or two fail. I've had "random" glowplug failures, some after just a couple of years, and some after decades. Manufacturers often specify the acceptable resistance range for glowplugs
Typical resistance is 0.1 to 6 ohms but may still be good up to 11 ohms.
Kind of a random failure situation.
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Mon, Apr 25, 2022 10:55 PM
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Here are some signs of damage.. [attachment=67495]Cat Glow Plugs 001.jpg[/attachment][attachment=67496]Cat Glow Plugs #2 001.jpg[/attachment]
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Here are some signs of damage.. [attachment=67495]Cat Glow Plugs 001.jpg[/attachment][attachment=67496]Cat Glow Plugs #2 001.jpg[/attachment]
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We always replaced them when reconditioning the head or around 10-12,000 service hours. We would inspect them at every 2000 hrs when adjusting valve tappet clearance.
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Mon, Apr 25, 2022 11:56 PM
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We always replaced them when reconditioning the head or around 10-12,000 service hours. We would inspect them at every 2000 hrs when adjusting valve tappet clearance.
a point to remember when checking the resistance, it should be read quickly ie a few seconds not half a minute. as resistance changes with temperature. also you dont want to burn out your multimeter. also buy quality units they last better. a light dab of grease or copper anti-seize on the thread will aid install and future replacement.

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Tue, Apr 26, 2022 6:31 AM
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a point to remember when checking the resistance, it should be read quickly ie a few seconds not half a minute. as resistance changes with temperature. also you dont want to burn out your multimeter. also buy quality units they last better. a light dab of grease or copper anti-seize on the thread will aid install and future replacement.
There is an inch lb torque rating for glow plugs also, check in your engine service manual. 120+-24 INCH lbs for plugs on 3304,6 engines
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Tue, Apr 26, 2022 6:36 AM
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There is an inch lb torque rating for glow plugs also, check in your engine service manual. 120+-24 INCH lbs for plugs on 3304,6 engines
My experience with glow plugs has been more extensive and expensive with Ford 7.3 IDI engines than "cold blooded Cat motors" as my Pap would call them, but I expect it's all similar. An engine will crank fine with them until it doesn't. Then one or all may be foul. Good steady voltage and clean tight connections are never a bad thing. And good quality replacements are sometimes a bargain at twice the price. Anyone who has been lucky enough to wiggle a Autocraft, Beru, insert generic part name here plug with a swollen tip out of those old IDI engines will probably argree with me. Also, some of the better manufacturers will give you resistance specs that their parts should fit.
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Tue, Apr 26, 2022 10:53 AM
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My experience with glow plugs has been more extensive and expensive with Ford 7.3 IDI engines than "cold blooded Cat motors" as my Pap would call them, but I expect it's all similar. An engine will crank fine with them until it doesn't. Then one or all may be foul. Good steady voltage and clean tight connections are never a bad thing. And good quality replacements are sometimes a bargain at twice the price. Anyone who has been lucky enough to wiggle a Autocraft, Beru, insert generic part name here plug with a swollen tip out of those old IDI engines will probably argree with me. Also, some of the better manufacturers will give you resistance specs that their parts should fit.
But, as far as prevention of the problem goes, I reckon if you're dealing with a tired engine with more hours than compression or suspect fuel issues, not within your engine but within the cetane in the tank it's probably not a bad idea to add them to the maintenance list. We've done that a time or two on Pap's ol F250. And more recently I've watched the way the machines on the job have cranked on our sometimes questionable fuel. All different brands and different "Tiers" as they like to label them. It will certainly make you wonder.
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Tue, Apr 26, 2022 11:07 AM
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a point to remember when checking the resistance, it should be read quickly ie a few seconds not half a minute. as resistance changes with temperature. also you dont want to burn out your multimeter. also buy quality units they last better. a light dab of grease or copper anti-seize on the thread will aid install and future replacement.
[quote="trainzkid88 post=237486 userid=11838"]a point to remember when checking the resistance, it should be read quickly ie a few seconds not half a minute. as resistance changes with temperature. also you dont want to burn out your multimeter. also buy quality units they last better. a light dab of grease or copper anti-seize on the thread will aid install and future replacement.
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Never heard of burning out a multimeter checking resistance for too long. You will do damage if you test resistance in a powered circuit. Most multimeters only put a small voltage through the circuit to test resistance and it shouldn't be enough to cause a glow plug to even get hot.
In the past I have connected alligator clips to my multimeter test leads and left them connected checking resistance for up to an hour with no side effects.
Agree with the comment about a quality meter though. I learned that in Auto TAFE and only use Fluke.

In regards to the thread questions; personally I think you would be throwing away perfectly good glow plugs if you replace them periodically. If you have an amp meter installed you can then tell when they are not working.
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Tue, Apr 26, 2022 4:38 PM
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[quote="trainzkid88 post=237486 userid=11838"]a point to remember when checking the resistance, it should be read quickly ie a few seconds not half a minute. as resistance changes with temperature. also you dont want to burn out your multimeter. also buy quality units they last better. a light dab of grease or copper anti-seize on the thread will aid install and future replacement.
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Never heard of burning out a multimeter checking resistance for too long. You will do damage if you test resistance in a powered circuit. Most multimeters only put a small voltage through the circuit to test resistance and it shouldn't be enough to cause a glow plug to even get hot.
In the past I have connected alligator clips to my multimeter test leads and left them connected checking resistance for up to an hour with no side effects.
Agree with the comment about a quality meter though. I learned that in Auto TAFE and only use Fluke.

In regards to the thread questions; personally I think you would be throwing away perfectly good glow plugs if you replace them periodically. If you have an amp meter installed you can then tell when they are not working.
i was referring to glow plugs but yes quality test gear is more accurate and durable. yet my auto ranging test meter cost me under a 100 bucks and does temp aswell and is true RMS. in my opinion unless its true RMS capable its not worth buying. and its the initial reading that you want. i happened to watch a vid from the states and the diesel mechanic was doing glow plugs on a 7lt ford v8 diesel and his point was change one change em all as its not much more work. and also that the initial reading was the important bit.

for glow-plugs i like NTK brand units part of the same company as NGK spark plugs.

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

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