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DrewAbt
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Hello,
I have a wonderful D7e sn:75E3 military cat but the engine paint scheme doesn't seem to match the tractor so I was thinking it was swapped at some point.
The engine sn is 2S13372 and it says "power unit" on the engine tag. Was this pulled from a generator or something?
Any help would be appreciated.
Also what would the horsepower be....160hp I'm assuming.
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Drew
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Tue, Mar 20, 2018 6:25 AM
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A 2S13372 is a D8800 Industrial Engine. Earlier version of the D339 with less than 100 hp depending on RPM and Rack Setting.
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Tue, Mar 20, 2018 12:44 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
A 2S13372 is a D8800 Industrial Engine. Earlier version of the D339 with less than 100 hp depending on RPM and Rack Setting.
Hmmm.
I believe I was told that the block was replaced due to a problem some years ago with the balancer shaft.
Is it possible that this motor was re assembled to the 160 hp mark? Is there any way to tell what it's output is? (Fuel settings?)
Thanks
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Tue, Mar 20, 2018 8:13 PM
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Reply to DrewAbt:
Hmmm.
I believe I was told that the block was replaced due to a problem some years ago with the balancer shaft.
Is it possible that this motor was re assembled to the 160 hp mark? Is there any way to tell what it's output is? (Fuel settings?)
Thanks
If this is the case it was most likely rebuilt using the original injection pump and governor as the industrial engine governor will be different, check if there are any part numbers on a plate on the injection pump.
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Tue, Mar 20, 2018 9:51 PM
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Reply to catsilver:
If this is the case it was most likely rebuilt using the original injection pump and governor as the industrial engine governor will be different, check if there are any part numbers on a plate on the injection pump.
The D8800 does not have an engine balancer and is limited to 1000 Full Load RPM and 1100 RPM high idle.
In the 2Sxxxx series Industrial Application (Generator) the rack setting is 0.460" and hp rating is 98 (same as the D73Txxxx tractors). No turbo.
The D7 75E3 would have a D339 engine equivalent to tractors 48A6393 to 6882 and be 160 hp.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 12:10 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The D8800 does not have an engine balancer and is limited to 1000 Full Load RPM and 1100 RPM high idle.
In the 2Sxxxx series Industrial Application (Generator) the rack setting is 0.460" and hp rating is 98 (same as the D73Txxxx tractors). No turbo.
The D7 75E3 would have a D339 engine equivalent to tractors 48A6393 to 6882 and be 160 hp.
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Here are the pics of the motor. There upside down for some reason.

Not sure what injection pump it has on it.
Does this mean that this block does not have a balancer shaft then? If not then should I check the RPM to make sure is not going too fast?
Could this motor be set at 160 hp with this block?
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Drew
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 2:20 AM
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Here are the pics of the motor. There upside down for some reason.

Not sure what injection pump it has on it.
Does this mean that this block does not have a balancer shaft then? If not then should I check the RPM to make sure is not going too fast?
Could this motor be set at 160 hp with this block?
Thanks
Drew
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A couple notes,

2S1-4999 is D8800,
2S5000-5499 is D6-7-8 Cable controls,
2S5500-up is Miscellaneous Engines, so 2S13372 could be the correct engine for the 75E.

All the part numbers I can read in your pictures are correct for the 75E, post more part numbers if you like, and I can check them.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 3:15 AM
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Does anybody have a fuel system diagram and a way to measure the rack setting! I would like to see where it's at.
Also, could it be turned up a little.....and I mean just a little lol
Many thanks
I'll get some more pics soon.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 3:42 AM
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Reply to DrewAbt:
Does anybody have a fuel system diagram and a way to measure the rack setting! I would like to see where it's at.
Also, could it be turned up a little.....and I mean just a little lol
Many thanks
I'll get some more pics soon.
Hi Team,
From down under here I can see Olive Drab paint on the vital D7E engine components--especially the Fuel Injection System.

As an example of how engine changes can be done in extreme times I offer the following:-

In 'Nam we changed a United Kingdom built D8H 68A's D342 engine out of one of our Australian Army's Land Clearing Special D8H's after it threw a rod--swarm of wasps/bees did not like their home being bulldozed and attacked the machine and operator--and anyone else in the vicinity.
It was left running at full RPM out in the Jungle overnight and damage occurred then sometime.

We procured a spare D342 Industrial Engine for a Cedar Rapids portable crushing and screening plant engine from the US Army (I think) Stores to fit in the the D8H, we swapped the Inj Pump and Governor, Manifolds, maybe also the sump oil pumps etc, etc. that was different from the old engine so as to bring it back to a D8H engine configuration--was still doing Land Clearing when I left Country.

It is most likely your swapped in engine is at D7E specification as it looks to be a later D339 engine, in Cat Yellow livery, and with Olive Drab D7E parts, as needed, to bring it up to D7E Specification/usage.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 4:54 AM
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Hi Team,
From down under here I can see Olive Drab paint on the vital D7E engine components--especially the Fuel Injection System.

As an example of how engine changes can be done in extreme times I offer the following:-

In 'Nam we changed a United Kingdom built D8H 68A's D342 engine out of one of our Australian Army's Land Clearing Special D8H's after it threw a rod--swarm of wasps/bees did not like their home being bulldozed and attacked the machine and operator--and anyone else in the vicinity.
It was left running at full RPM out in the Jungle overnight and damage occurred then sometime.

We procured a spare D342 Industrial Engine for a Cedar Rapids portable crushing and screening plant engine from the US Army (I think) Stores to fit in the the D8H, we swapped the Inj Pump and Governor, Manifolds, maybe also the sump oil pumps etc, etc. that was different from the old engine so as to bring it back to a D8H engine configuration--was still doing Land Clearing when I left Country.

It is most likely your swapped in engine is at D7E specification as it looks to be a later D339 engine, in Cat Yellow livery, and with Olive Drab D7E parts, as needed, to bring it up to D7E Specification/usage.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
That is definitely a D339 engine. I could not find any info on that high a 2Sxxxx s/n engine. Just says 2Sxxxx up on the D8800 rack setting info. To be a D339 Industrial engine it should have an engine prefix 34Bxxxx and is rated at 119 hp, 1200 FLRPM and 1305 high idle rpm, rack setting 0.270" (Requires a 3H1690 rack setting tool to check)

For the 75E equivalent FLRPM is 1200, high idle rpm is 1335, rack setting is 0.275" for 160 hp. You could increase the rack setting some to "make more smoke" but any significant power increase would require torque spring changes and higher turbo boost pressure.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 5:45 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
That is definitely a D339 engine. I could not find any info on that high a 2Sxxxx s/n engine. Just says 2Sxxxx up on the D8800 rack setting info. To be a D339 Industrial engine it should have an engine prefix 34Bxxxx and is rated at 119 hp, 1200 FLRPM and 1305 high idle rpm, rack setting 0.270" (Requires a 3H1690 rack setting tool to check)

For the 75E equivalent FLRPM is 1200, high idle rpm is 1335, rack setting is 0.275" for 160 hp. You could increase the rack setting some to "make more smoke" but any significant power increase would require torque spring changes and higher turbo boost pressure.
If that engine performs well enough, leave well alone, someone has used a base D339 engine and converted it with the D7E peripheral parts, probably including the balancer units.
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Wed, Mar 21, 2018 6:19 AM
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