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D7 17A fuel consumption?

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Layne
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How much do they burn? I'm really surprised at how little it needs. Even my wife asked why it never needs fuel. I was under the impression the fuel tanks were usually sized for one full work day, so I was thinking like 8+ gallons per hour, but I'm using more like 1 gph (not a precise calculation at all).
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Thu, Mar 28, 2019 10:05 AM
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I’m not sure what your unit will use but my d7e with a turbocharged d339t engine will use anywhere between 2-13 gph. If your making it beller and roar all day long it with some heavy pushing it WILL suck that whole tank down in a day.
It’s 100% dependent on the load it under.
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Thu, Mar 28, 2019 11:29 AM
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Hi Team,
scan is from a book called Earthmoving Guide To Profit--early forerunner to the Performance Handbook.
Red lined area is for Track type Tractors of the era we speak of here.

Later machines have more fuel efficient engines so these charts are not really suitable for them.

D7 17A--depending on S/No as to if turbo'd or not --would be around 128HP so select the line of HP's that suit this range, ie, for 100 to 150 Hp machines a guide :-
Light work-- 3.5 to 4.5 Gph.
Medium work-- 4.5 to 5.5 Gph.
Severe work--6.0 to 6.5 Gph.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thu, Mar 28, 2019 12:04 PM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Team,
scan is from a book called Earthmoving Guide To Profit--early forerunner to the Performance Handbook.
Red lined area is for Track type Tractors of the era we speak of here.

Later machines have more fuel efficient engines so these charts are not really suitable for them.

D7 17A--depending on S/No as to if turbo'd or not --would be around 128HP so select the line of HP's that suit this range, ie, for 100 to 150 Hp machines a guide :-
Light work-- 3.5 to 4.5 Gph.
Medium work-- 4.5 to 5.5 Gph.
Severe work--6.0 to 6.5 Gph.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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I'd say the 17a turbo is very economical using less than 6gph in heavy work from my experience. We averaged around 15 litres per hour clearing trees recently. I never saw any smoke from unburnt diesel except a slight puff on direction change.
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Fri, Mar 29, 2019 1:55 PM
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Reply to DrewAbt:
I’m not sure what your unit will use but my d7e with a turbocharged d339t engine will use anywhere between 2-13 gph. If your making it beller and roar all day long it with some heavy pushing it WILL suck that whole tank down in a day.
It’s 100% dependent on the load it under.
I guess I need to find a way to measure the consumption (I really don't want to completely fill the tank. That would take like 6 trips to town with the cans I have). Seems like anything under 3 gph is improbable based on what you guys are saying.


[quote="DrewAbt"]If your making it beller and roar all day long it with some heavy pushing it WILL suck that whole tank down in a day.
It’s 100% dependent on the load it under.[/quote]

I definitely don't have the skill or the work available to keep it loaded up all day long. But if you lightly load an oversized diesel generator for example, it burns just as much fuel as a 60-70% load. I kind of expected the same from the D7. I'm very impressed with how fuel efficient it is.
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 2:30 AM
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Reply to Layne:
I guess I need to find a way to measure the consumption (I really don't want to completely fill the tank. That would take like 6 trips to town with the cans I have). Seems like anything under 3 gph is improbable based on what you guys are saying.


[quote="DrewAbt"]If your making it beller and roar all day long it with some heavy pushing it WILL suck that whole tank down in a day.
It’s 100% dependent on the load it under.[/quote]

I definitely don't have the skill or the work available to keep it loaded up all day long. But if you lightly load an oversized diesel generator for example, it burns just as much fuel as a 60-70% load. I kind of expected the same from the D7. I'm very impressed with how fuel efficient it is.
The injector pump on my 3 cylinder RD6 motor has a plate on it saying if the 3 cylinder tractor is burning more than 3 gallons a hour it is potentially being overloaded, the same plate says if the 4 cylinder D7 is burning more than 4 gallons a hour then it is possibly being overloaded, and the same for the 6 cylinder tractor, 6 gallons a hour, that's from 1936 I should add.
Mike
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 3:46 AM
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The injector pump on my 3 cylinder RD6 motor has a plate on it saying if the 3 cylinder tractor is burning more than 3 gallons a hour it is potentially being overloaded, the same plate says if the 4 cylinder D7 is burning more than 4 gallons a hour then it is possibly being overloaded, and the same for the 6 cylinder tractor, 6 gallons a hour, that's from 1936 I should add.
Mike
I had some D7-17A 25 years pass and these machine with no turbo was using 5gh and with turbo 6gh.
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 4:22 AM
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I had some D7-17A 25 years pass and these machine with no turbo was using 5gh and with turbo 6gh.
The only time a crawler is under full load all day is when it is been used under constant load as in agg type applications

Dozing type applications a crawler would be lucky to spend 60% of it's time under full load as it has to keep backing up for a fresh bite

Paul
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 6:15 AM
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The only time a crawler is under full load all day is when it is been used under constant load as in agg type applications

Dozing type applications a crawler would be lucky to spend 60% of it's time under full load as it has to keep backing up for a fresh bite

Paul
Hi Team,
it should also be remembered that these older machines were designed to run on No 2 furnace oil--it is much less refined than modern fuels and so has more energy per given volume in it. The usage guides I gave are from the 1950's when No2 Fuel Oil was still available cheaply and would have been the fuel used for the posted guide line consumption tests.

As part of dynomometer testing rebuilt, and some new, engines at The Dealer we used to have to do fuel correction factoring to the dyno measured Horsepower by taking a Specific Gravity reading of the fuel with a special Fuel related Specific Gravity Float--there were actually two floats to cover the possible S.G. ranges of current fuels, fuel temperature was a factor too and these were compared to charts from Cat that gave us the plus or minus Horsepower corrections to apply to the Dyno read figures. There were other correction factors to consider but they are outside this discussion.

As an aside but related to higher density fuels I have fitted a Return Fuel Cooler to my Nissan Patrol's 4.2TDI engine fuel return line to keep the fuel in the tank as cool as possible (more dense)--it works well as the tank feels just above ambient temperature at all times--the cooler the fuel the more energy per given volume, equals more HP produced for the same volume of fuel injected.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 7:02 AM
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Reply to Layne:
I guess I need to find a way to measure the consumption (I really don't want to completely fill the tank. That would take like 6 trips to town with the cans I have). Seems like anything under 3 gph is improbable based on what you guys are saying.


[quote="DrewAbt"]If your making it beller and roar all day long it with some heavy pushing it WILL suck that whole tank down in a day.
It’s 100% dependent on the load it under.[/quote]

I definitely don't have the skill or the work available to keep it loaded up all day long. But if you lightly load an oversized diesel generator for example, it burns just as much fuel as a 60-70% load. I kind of expected the same from the D7. I'm very impressed with how fuel efficient it is.
[quote="Layne"]I guess I need to find a way to measure the consumption (I really don't want to completely fill the tank. That would take like 6 trips to town with the cans I have). Seems like anything under 3 gph is improbable based on what you guys are saying.




I definitely don't have the skill or the work available to keep it loaded up all day long. But if you lightly load an oversized diesel generator for example, it burns just as much fuel as a 60-70% load. I kind of expected the same from the D7. I'm very impressed with how fuel efficient it is.[/quote]

Layne, just something to think about, Keeping you tank full after use will keep condensation from building up inside the tank. Enough moisture turns to water which can turn to algae over time and plug your filters and do other damage to your fuel system, Once you have the tank full, then there isn't any more work than before, keeping it full.
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Sat, Mar 30, 2019 11:33 AM
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Reply to Paso Bob:
[quote="Layne"]I guess I need to find a way to measure the consumption (I really don't want to completely fill the tank. That would take like 6 trips to town with the cans I have). Seems like anything under 3 gph is improbable based on what you guys are saying.




I definitely don't have the skill or the work available to keep it loaded up all day long. But if you lightly load an oversized diesel generator for example, it burns just as much fuel as a 60-70% load. I kind of expected the same from the D7. I'm very impressed with how fuel efficient it is.[/quote]

Layne, just something to think about, Keeping you tank full after use will keep condensation from building up inside the tank. Enough moisture turns to water which can turn to algae over time and plug your filters and do other damage to your fuel system, Once you have the tank full, then there isn't any more work than before, keeping it full.
As I tell my kids who borrow my car...it costs no more to keep a tank full as it does to keep it empty!!

The condensation issue is a very good point...well said.

Ps ...fitting a fuel cooler to a Nissan TD42T is a great idea because these engines are also known as kettles😎
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