ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
D6B fuel injector problem

D6B fuel injector problem

Showing 1 to 6 of 6 results
mattwilliams
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to mattwilliams
Posts: 25
Thank you received: 0
Guys looking for some advice on a fuel problem with a D6B 44a. It has set for about 2 years with real old fuel that is varnished smelling. Was running OK two years ago but had a miss on a cylinder. Went this week and put new injector nozzles on, changed fuel filters and ran a clean axillary tank to test with. Old nozzles had a bunch of debris on the screens so I assumed that was my problem.

I went to crank it over with the injector lines removed and fuel was only coming out of the 3 lines at the pump closest to the radiator. Sprayed cleaner down the other 3 and dirty fuel started slowly seeping out.

If the pump was dry or bad fuel for that long could the plungers be stuck or bad ? Today I went out and I am getting a good pop of pressure off the pump closest to the radiator, but the other 5 have fuel coming out but almost no pressure. Also no matter what position the throttle/governor are in I get the same amount of fuel. The #1 cylinder will fire when I hook it up but not the rest.

Any insight would be appreciated before I take the pump off and send it to the injection shop.

Matt
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Mar 24, 2011 5:46 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,694
Thank you received: 16
If it's been sitting that long and the fuel gummed up it probably just needs a good cleaning......and yes dismantling is a requirement.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:00 AM
u-joint
Offline
Member
Send a private message to u-joint
Posts: 304
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
If it's been sitting that long and the fuel gummed up it probably just needs a good cleaning......and yes dismantling is a requirement.
diesel does not go bad in two years? i have started tractors that have sat twenty years and still have that fuel in the tank. unless you have a fungus growing in your fuel. the fungus grows between your diesel and water in a thin layer between. not real familiar with the 44A's but i believe they have the same scroll fuel system as the D333C.
those have a small fuel screen buried at the injection pump. they are real hard to see,
between the pump and block. follow your fuel supply line to see if it goes to a fuel screen. the ones i have been around are about the size of a D size battery. they are hard to see and do plug up, especially if you have a fungus in your fuel. the fungus will be in this screen and is a real slimmy substance.

otherwise it sounds like you may have air in the fuel system. i would try every option before pulling your pump. remove your glow plugs so you can crank the engine faster and easier and see if you can get fuel to the other five injectors. sometimes they bleed real hard, takes some time to get them bled out.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:31 PM
4x6zh itzik
Offline
Send a private message to 4x6zh itzik
Posts: 85
Thank you received: 0
Reply to u-joint:
diesel does not go bad in two years? i have started tractors that have sat twenty years and still have that fuel in the tank. unless you have a fungus growing in your fuel. the fungus grows between your diesel and water in a thin layer between. not real familiar with the 44A's but i believe they have the same scroll fuel system as the D333C.
those have a small fuel screen buried at the injection pump. they are real hard to see,
between the pump and block. follow your fuel supply line to see if it goes to a fuel screen. the ones i have been around are about the size of a D size battery. they are hard to see and do plug up, especially if you have a fungus in your fuel. the fungus will be in this screen and is a real slimmy substance.

otherwise it sounds like you may have air in the fuel system. i would try every option before pulling your pump. remove your glow plugs so you can crank the engine faster and easier and see if you can get fuel to the other five injectors. sometimes they bleed real hard, takes some time to get them bled out.
Try to release the pipe of No. 3
on his connection to pump
Inserted into the pump detergent
Even brake fluid.

Looks like an internal pump failure
Plnger Stuck
Internal blockage

Sure you have good compression.
Before you start to dismantle
Do all the basic tests

itzik
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,694
Thank you received: 16
Reply to 4x6zh itzik:
Try to release the pipe of No. 3
on his connection to pump
Inserted into the pump detergent
Even brake fluid.

Looks like an internal pump failure
Plnger Stuck
Internal blockage

Sure you have good compression.
Before you start to dismantle
Do all the basic tests

itzik
This is what Cat has to say about fuel storage and life......anything beyond is a crap shoot.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:30 PM
mattwilliams
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to mattwilliams
Posts: 25
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
This is what Cat has to say about fuel storage and life......anything beyond is a crap shoot.

I can spray cleaner down both #2 and # 3 pumps and air gurgles back to the filter. Seems like the plungers are both stuck open. No matter what the revolution of the engine is and governor position is.

What tool and can I remove the plungers from the top of the pump externally ? Also how do you check lifters on these since there is no side plate ?

Thanks for the help
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:14 PM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,694
Thank you received: 16
Reply to mattwilliams:
I can spray cleaner down both #2 and # 3 pumps and air gurgles back to the filter. Seems like the plungers are both stuck open. No matter what the revolution of the engine is and governor position is.

What tool and can I remove the plungers from the top of the pump externally ? Also how do you check lifters on these since there is no side plate ?

Thanks for the help
Takes several special tools to work on the compact fuel injection,

1M6952 splined socket to remove the retainer bushings
1M6954 extractor to remove the injection pumps
8M530 rack positioning micrometer gauge
2M5219 gauge and 4"-5" depth micrometer to set timing through the pump bore.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:16 PM
Showing 1 to 6 of 6 results
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Veerkamp Open House 2025

Chapter Fifteen

| Placerville, CA

Stradsett Park Vintage Rally

Chapter Two

| Stradsett, Nr Downham Market. Norfolk PE33 9HA UK

Chapter 2 The Link Club's AGM

Chapter Two

| Faulkner Farm, West Drove, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, PE14 7DP, UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!