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I have a question about problems that might be created by water in cylinders that seems different than posts I have found about this. My concern is how to determine if there might be a problem and, if so, how not to make it worse.

I have been keeping a 1949 D4 7U under a canopy shelter and put a can over the stack when it isn't running. About three weeks ago, we had a rainstorm with winds that shredded the canopy (I was trying to squeeze out another winter until a more permanent shed is finished). This wasn't a major concern until I saw that the flapping shreds had knocked the can off the stack, which may have allowed rain water to get into the engine. I have no way of telling how much.

My question is what can I do with it now without making matters worse? It has an electric start diesel motor that I can bump without giving it fuel to see if it will turn. But if water is in the cylinders, I can imagine that trying to compress it could break something or put too much stress on the head gasket?

I am guessing that water in cylinders might be a common problem with older tractors that have been sitting outside, and am hoping that someone with more experience can suggest what needs to be done to fix it.

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Thu, Jan 8, 2015 8:14 AM
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Release the compression release and bar it over slowly by hand a few turns to insure that there is not a cylinder hydro locked.
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Thu, Jan 8, 2015 9:05 AM
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Release the compression release and bar it over slowly by hand a few turns to insure that there is not a cylinder hydro locked.
I want to close off this thread by letting readers know how things turned out. I have an operator's manual covering the year of my 1949 D4 7U. It includes both pony motor start and electric start models. Description of the pony motor use has a picture that shows a compression release lever. This does not exist on my electric start model, and I couldn't locate another compression release control. So I went ahead and "bumped" the engine with a quick turn and release of the starter switch, each followed by some time to let cylinders on the compression cycle to leak down in case water was present. This gave no indication of trapped water, so I eventually went ahead and cranked the engine with the throttle in start position. But by then the batteries that had been sitting for a few months did not have enough power left to start the tractor. A few days later, after recharging the batteries, the tractor started and I let it run long enough to warm up the engine. Now I am waiting for the ground to dry out some more before taking the tractor out for exercise so that the steering clutches don't get stuck again. For others, and for me if this happens again, who may be concerned about water getting down the stack, can anyone describe if or where there is a compression release control on an early model (1949 in my case) D4 7U electric start diesel motor?

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Sat, Jan 24, 2015 12:52 AM
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I want to close off this thread by letting readers know how things turned out. I have an operator's manual covering the year of my 1949 D4 7U. It includes both pony motor start and electric start models. Description of the pony motor use has a picture that shows a compression release lever. This does not exist on my electric start model, and I couldn't locate another compression release control. So I went ahead and "bumped" the engine with a quick turn and release of the starter switch, each followed by some time to let cylinders on the compression cycle to leak down in case water was present. This gave no indication of trapped water, so I eventually went ahead and cranked the engine with the throttle in start position. But by then the batteries that had been sitting for a few months did not have enough power left to start the tractor. A few days later, after recharging the batteries, the tractor started and I let it run long enough to warm up the engine. Now I am waiting for the ground to dry out some more before taking the tractor out for exercise so that the steering clutches don't get stuck again. For others, and for me if this happens again, who may be concerned about water getting down the stack, can anyone describe if or where there is a compression release control on an early model (1949 in my case) D4 7U electric start diesel motor?

JRMunn
Look at the back of the cylinder head. When converting to direct start the compression release lever and control rod are often removed but the short lever at the back of the head may still be there.
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Sat, Jan 24, 2015 1:19 AM
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Look at the back of the cylinder head. When converting to direct start the compression release lever and control rod are often removed but the short lever at the back of the head may still be there.
Thanks for the update. Its always good to hear the end result of problems people have with the toys. Glad that all is well with the machine. Exercise the old girl and post some pictures. We always like to see them.
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Sat, Jan 24, 2015 7:09 AM
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Look at the back of the cylinder head. When converting to direct start the compression release lever and control rod are often removed but the short lever at the back of the head may still be there.
as OM said, look at the rear of the Cyl head and protruding from the spacer between the head and the rocker cover should be either a shaft or if you are lucky a small lever that is still on the shaft that is the decomp.

Further to that there should be a drilled drain hole under each exhaust port on the exhaust manifold to drain any fluids before they reach a high enough level to enter the exhaust port.
They usually carbon up over the years and may need cleaning with a suitable sized drill bit or piece of wire as part of regular maintenance.

Hope this helps.
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Eddie B.
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Sat, Jan 24, 2015 7:20 AM
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