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Can anyone tell me how batteries are supposed to be secured in a D4 7U 24 volt electric start tractor? It uses 2 long, thin 12 volt batteries (size 3ET) that fit between the engine and the "dash" and are connected in series. I have been having problems with short battery life (1 to 3 years) and am wondering if there is a problem with them bouncing around without any hold down. I am spending a little more on new batteries now to get more cranking amps (620 instead of 500 cca), and want to do what I can to extend their useful life - including keeping them clean on top and using a solar trickle charger when the tractor is not being used.

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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 1:08 AM
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Here is a scan from D4 Tractor Parts Catalog, form 32523.





Looks like there were at least two different versions.

The battery boxes and componenets have always been complicated. A fabricated set of hold downs, with something to reduce vibration would help.
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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 2:45 AM
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Here is a scan from D4 Tractor Parts Catalog, form 32523.





Looks like there were at least two different versions.

The battery boxes and componenets have always been complicated. A fabricated set of hold downs, with something to reduce vibration would help.
I have found that a battery life of 2-4 years is normal with modern batteries - depends what brand and style of battery and cost.

Long gone are the days when batteries lasted 10 years or more as my father used to say they should.

Infrequent use also reduces battery life and using a 'smart' charger with a de-sulphating cycle can improve battery life.

Try to keep them charged eg., on stand by or at least give them a boost charge every now and then - as you are doing
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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 3:33 AM
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I have found that a battery life of 2-4 years is normal with modern batteries - depends what brand and style of battery and cost.

Long gone are the days when batteries lasted 10 years or more as my father used to say they should.

Infrequent use also reduces battery life and using a 'smart' charger with a de-sulphating cycle can improve battery life.

Try to keep them charged eg., on stand by or at least give them a boost charge every now and then - as you are doing
Thank you for the battery box and battery information. Now I know that there was a hold down and what it looked like. I will probably end up doing something with less fabrication that keeps the batteries from bouncing around. I also have a cable terminal connection that needs work along with the many other issues that haven't stopped the tractor from running - yet.

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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 4:45 AM
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Thank you for the battery box and battery information. Now I know that there was a hold down and what it looked like. I will probably end up doing something with less fabrication that keeps the batteries from bouncing around. I also have a cable terminal connection that needs work along with the many other issues that haven't stopped the tractor from running - yet.

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on all my machines i install a soft rubber matt or even carpet under the batteries to keep them isolated from vibrations and shock waves from the machine
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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 6:24 AM
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on all my machines i install a soft rubber matt or even carpet under the batteries to keep them isolated from vibrations and shock waves from the machine
I don't know what batteries you are using but I got almost 11 years out of a pair of Interstate Batteries and about the same from Optimas.
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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 7:08 AM
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I don't know what batteries you are using but I got almost 11 years out of a pair of Interstate Batteries and about the same from Optimas.
Thank you for the suggestions to help prevent battery vibration and on battery brands. Right now, the batteries are sitting on a thin piece of rubber over a piece of plywood, so using something softer should help. I think I have some rubber material from another project that should work. The batteries that have gone bad are Exide brand F-3ET farm batteries. I have not helped matters by letting them bounce around and then sit for several months when I am working on other things. I have, however, fully charged them at least twice a year and put them through a "recondition" cycle at least once a year. The new batteries will be Strongbox brand from a John Deere dealer. These cost more, but have good reviews and more cranking amps. It is hard to tell if batteries are being built the same from one year to the next, while all manufacturers claim to make durable products. So I am hoping that the value of John Deere dealers' reputations with long-term customers will help guarantee a consistently good product.

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Mon, Nov 23, 2015 8:21 AM
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I don't know what batteries you are using but I got almost 11 years out of a pair of Interstate Batteries and about the same from Optimas.


We use Optimas in our 4wds mainly because of the high cold cranking amps v size.

However, they vary in durability. One took a beating for over 7 years whereas another larger Optima lasted about 18 months.

I was advised to use a 'smart' reconditioning charger to gain extra life and the same guy told me that dud truck batteries (gel type I think) can be brought back to life new using a CTEK-type charger - he does this and sells them on.
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