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I have started a new restoration project on a couple of older caterpillars.
I may have bitten off more than I can chew but I am going to see what I can do. What I have are two D4 5t dozers. One wide gauge and one narrow gauge. The serial numbers on the machines are. 5T 670 SP and 5T 5804
From reading tons of information on this site... I believe these to be 1945 vintage. SP stands for special parts? Maybe some sort of different gearing. The narrow gauge is the 670sp. Must be older as it has a lower serial number. This machine does have hydraulics on it. It does have a dozer blade on it. It is missing the pony motor all together. Looks like someone started making an electric start conversion for it.
The other machine 5T 5804 is missing the clutch. It has no blade or anything on it. I am not sure what they used it for. It does have a pony motor on it. The pony motor is missing the carb and the magneto. Both machines are outside and yes rusty.... I have a good size heated garage that I can work on one or both. Maybe just try to make one good one from the two.
Would anyone offer any advice on which one would be best to try and restore? Where would you find parts for the pony motor? Where would you find clutch parts or would the part exchange between the two? Would it be best to convert to a 24 volt electric start system? It seems to me that it would be best to revive the pony motor especially if I am going to try and start the dozer after sitting for 2 years. I am new to this maybe thats why I am crazy enough to try and do it. Any advise is well apreciated. I am located in central Wisconsin. If anyone has parts and is within reasonable distance I am sure I will need some. Maybe even have a few to trade. 😊
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Sat, Jan 26, 2008 12:17 PM
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Seems like you already have it figured out.....make one good one out of the two.
Your choice of which one but the narrow gage that already has the blade would probably be the most useful. All the parts are interchangeable between these two models as well as most parts on the 7J and 2T models. J model D2's will have some interchangeable pony motor parts as well. Try advertising in the classified section here for parts you need. Good luck with your project and welcome😊 😊
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Sun, Jan 27, 2008 12:02 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Seems like you already have it figured out.....make one good one out of the two.
Your choice of which one but the narrow gage that already has the blade would probably be the most useful. All the parts are interchangeable between these two models as well as most parts on the 7J and 2T models. J model D2's will have some interchangeable pony motor parts as well. Try advertising in the classified section here for parts you need. Good luck with your project and welcome😊 😊
dratt,

Depending on where you live, there are a number of scrapping/ dismantling yards around the country. I'd be checking with the nearest one for the parts you need, plus on the BB here. One of us might live close to you, and quite a few of us have parts for trade or sale.

Just an idea. .good luck and have fun with the restoration of whichever one you decide on. Keep us posted. .
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Sun, Jan 27, 2008 8:55 PM
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dratt,

Depending on where you live, there are a number of scrapping/ dismantling yards around the country. I'd be checking with the nearest one for the parts you need, plus on the BB here. One of us might live close to you, and quite a few of us have parts for trade or sale.

Just an idea. .good luck and have fun with the restoration of whichever one you decide on. Keep us posted. .
Thanks for the heads up.
I live in Necedah, Wisconsin. (54646)
Both machines are in Alma center Wi. as of right now. I need to move them to Necedah when it warms up. I am guessing these machines to weight 11,000 each. I am hoping to move them with a trailer that has two 7,000 lbs axels on it. One at a time of course. I am trying to do as much research on these as I can before I tear into it.
I will post some photos of this as I go along. You will be able to see the whole thing come together. (I hope 😊 )
Does anyone have any books, blue prints, parts manuals for these machines? It would be best for me if it was in a .pdf format or an online file that I could review.
I agree with old magnet on which one to restore. (Narrow gauge D4) this one ran last and has the blade.
Something that is a bit confusing to me was that the direct electric start they were installing was being mounted on the operators side of the clutch housing. The information that I see for doing this shows to mount it on the other side.
Any suggestions on the first thing you should do with these when starting this project? (like precautions) or when we first go to move them?
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Sun, Jan 27, 2008 11:16 PM
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Thanks for the heads up.
I live in Necedah, Wisconsin. (54646)
Both machines are in Alma center Wi. as of right now. I need to move them to Necedah when it warms up. I am guessing these machines to weight 11,000 each. I am hoping to move them with a trailer that has two 7,000 lbs axels on it. One at a time of course. I am trying to do as much research on these as I can before I tear into it.
I will post some photos of this as I go along. You will be able to see the whole thing come together. (I hope 😊 )
Does anyone have any books, blue prints, parts manuals for these machines? It would be best for me if it was in a .pdf format or an online file that I could review.
I agree with old magnet on which one to restore. (Narrow gauge D4) this one ran last and has the blade.
Something that is a bit confusing to me was that the direct electric start they were installing was being mounted on the operators side of the clutch housing. The information that I see for doing this shows to mount it on the other side.
Any suggestions on the first thing you should do with these when starting this project? (like precautions) or when we first go to move them?
I am getting closer to moving the 2 D4 dozers to thier new home. I am looking for information on where to get service manuals, parts books, operator instructions ect...
I am green as they come when it comes to these dozers. I have never worked on one or even driven one.

I have been watching pasochis and his project and am inspired by his determination on the D8!!
It will be awhile before the D4's come home as the wind chills here in Wisconsin were at -65 this morning
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Thu, Jan 31, 2008 8:54 AM
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Reply to dratt:
I am getting closer to moving the 2 D4 dozers to thier new home. I am looking for information on where to get service manuals, parts books, operator instructions ect...
I am green as they come when it comes to these dozers. I have never worked on one or even driven one.

I have been watching pasochis and his project and am inspired by his determination on the D8!!
It will be awhile before the D4's come home as the wind chills here in Wisconsin were at -65 this morning
I'm a little confused on the wide gauge - narrow gauge. The 5T is the wide gauge and isn't the 2T the narrow Gauge. My narrow gauge D4 has different S/N's, the Rear S/N is a 2T corresponding to the narrow gauge and the engine S/N is a newer 5T. One different between the original 2T engine and the 5T engine I have is the hood over the engine is about 4 inches longer, I have been told most the lenght difference is in the radiator brackets?

For my work the narrow gauge is peaches and cream. Clay
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Thu, Jan 31, 2008 9:12 PM
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I'm a little confused on the wide gauge - narrow gauge. The 5T is the wide gauge and isn't the 2T the narrow Gauge. My narrow gauge D4 has different S/N's, the Rear S/N is a 2T corresponding to the narrow gauge and the engine S/N is a newer 5T. One different between the original 2T engine and the 5T engine I have is the hood over the engine is about 4 inches longer, I have been told most the lenght difference is in the radiator brackets?

For my work the narrow gauge is peaches and cream. Clay
Both 2T and 5T came in standard and wide gauge versions. Wide gauge is identified by a W at the end of the serial number. Seperate serial number series for standard and wide gauge D4 did not start until the U series, 6u being standard and 7U wide.
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Thu, Jan 31, 2008 10:14 PM
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Reply to brian18a:
Both 2T and 5T came in standard and wide gauge versions. Wide gauge is identified by a W at the end of the serial number. Seperate serial number series for standard and wide gauge D4 did not start until the U series, 6u being standard and 7U wide.
OCB,
Don't know about that hood😕
I show 7J3332 - 7J9999, 2T1 - 2T9999 and 5T1 - up as using the same (standard tractor) hood #7B5348.
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Thu, Jan 31, 2008 11:44 PM
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OCB,
Don't know about that hood😕
I show 7J3332 - 7J9999, 2T1 - 2T9999 and 5T1 - up as using the same (standard tractor) hood #7B5348.
OM, the parts book shows up to 7J3331 a 3B7800 hood and then on up shows a 7B5348 but by the picture only it shows a small cover on the top right rear section of the early hood where the later one is blank so maybe they both would fit I don,t know. The orchard models show different hoods yet.
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Fri, Feb 1, 2008 1:07 AM
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OM, the parts book shows up to 7J3331 a 3B7800 hood and then on up shows a 7B5348 but by the picture only it shows a small cover on the top right rear section of the early hood where the later one is blank so maybe they both would fit I don,t know. The orchard models show different hoods yet.
dratt,
Here's the info on manuals you were asking for:

D4 - 5T Manuals

Parts
5T1 – 5T7411
Form # 30412 (190 Pgs)

Engine
D4400 4-1/4 Bore
Form # FEO30523-01 (132 Pgs)

Service & Repair
Servicemen’s Reference Book
Form # FE30521-2 (172 Pgs)

Operation & Maintenance
Operator’s Instructions
Form # 10902-01 (76 Pages)

Sources:
Cat Legendary Literature Services (Quality Reprints)
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7
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Try ebay

Avoid the Jensales Materials….very poor quality
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Fri, Feb 1, 2008 4:28 AM
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dratt,
Here's the info on manuals you were asking for:

D4 - 5T Manuals

Parts
5T1 – 5T7411
Form # 30412 (190 Pgs)

Engine
D4400 4-1/4 Bore
Form # FEO30523-01 (132 Pgs)

Service & Repair
Servicemen’s Reference Book
Form # FE30521-2 (172 Pgs)

Operation & Maintenance
Operator’s Instructions
Form # 10902-01 (76 Pages)

Sources:
Cat Legendary Literature Services (Quality Reprints)
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7
or
Try ebay

Avoid the Jensales Materials….very poor quality
OM thank you very much for the information on the manuals. I will look around on the web and try to locate these.
You appear to be a wealth of infomation to this web site!😄
SJ, You may be on to something with the hood information. The person selling to me referred to the "narrow gauge" as being an orchard model. Although this did not mean anything to me at the time. I assumed that they used the narrow dozer in the orchards.😕
I really need to get some pictures of these machines and post them up here.

I have been studing OM's image blog he really has quite a bit of information there for converting a D4 to electric start. I can tell he must be a tool and die maker by his sketches and photo's.

OM, Do you think that the D4 ng is capable of converting to the MT40 electric start and is this machine capable of setting up an alternator?
Does the pony motor need to be removed for this?
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