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rlitt

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Okay, I am a newby but have been studying and saving for many years. I finally have the opportunity to purchase a D2. I need some opinions before I pull the trigger. Attached are a few photos of the machine I am considering. Based on things I have read, here is some additional information:

* Serial # 4U5107, if I have done my reasearch correctly that makes it a 40 gauge with the D 311 motor, produced sometime towards the tail end of the D2's production run.

* It does have a blade and I have read that the D2 was not designed to push but more for pulling. Some folks think a blade indicates hard usage and potentialy too much ware.

*Pony motor is electric start.

*See the condition of the udercarraige based on the photos. Grousers look like they have been welded to build them up, pins are still circular (not egged out), sprockets don't look pointed (indication of loose track), looks like there is still adjustment left in the track.

*Looks like the idler wheels have been replaced since they are a slightly different color.

*Hour meter reads 3546.

*Checked the oil pan with a magnet - no metal.

I was told by the owner that both the pony and the diesel runs although I have not gotten far enough along to see that yet.

My plan is to restore more than it is to use it. I just want some opinions based on this info.
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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:35 AM

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Looks like a tidy little tractor. The biggest thing on D2's is whether the steering clutches are stuck. That is as important as whether the engine runs in my book.

The tracks look like they will go a while with occasional use. The height of the rails is getting close to 100% worn or the bottom rollers are worn to nearly 100%. Or could be a combination of wear on both of them. I am looking at the sharp cut just below the pin boss on the links. Probably should count links/pads on both sides to see if a link may have been removed to bring the front idlers back into normal adjustment. Also measure the diameter of the front idlers and count the bottom rollers to know what standard count would be.

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:59 AM

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The rail hight runs from 3"=100% to 2.75"=0%
track pitch (pins center to center) 6.12"
grouser hight 1.875"=100%

Looks to be in good shape.

Kevin

D2 5U13247 Direct electric start, #44hyd, 2S blade, Hyster D2N

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 7:02 AM

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I'm not an expert by any means, but that undercarriage looks well worn. The rollers are hitting the pin bosses and the sprocket(s) look shot. Scrap value only. Sorry, that's how I see it. 😞

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 7:07 AM

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Reply to Dozerman51:

I'm not an expert by any means, but that undercarriage looks well worn. The rollers are hitting the pin bosses and the sprocket(s) look shot. Scrap value only. Sorry, that's how I see it. 😞

For a restoration tractor that undercarriage is fine. The left sprocket has some side wear on it that indicates a "Toe In" alignment issue. I agree with ccjersey and dozerman that they are hitting on the pin bosses, but for occasional use, I wouldn't worry. Seriously though it has all the "Cool" extra's, blade, belt pulley, etc. Being a narrow gauge it will take up less storage space also.

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 7:03 PM

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Reply to drujinin:

For a restoration tractor that undercarriage is fine. The left sprocket has some side wear on it that indicates a "Toe In" alignment issue. I agree with ccjersey and dozerman that they are hitting on the pin bosses, but for occasional use, I wouldn't worry. Seriously though it has all the "Cool" extra's, blade, belt pulley, etc. Being a narrow gauge it will take up less storage space also.

rlitt

Overall a nice looking little project, you dident mention your location, I know of a wide J series with Exelent UC and stuck clutches near Howell MI, if you were to buy it it would remove the temptation from me.

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 7:50 PM

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Reply to Steve A:

rlitt

Overall a nice looking little project, you dident mention your location, I know of a wide J series with Exelent UC and stuck clutches near Howell MI, if you were to buy it it would remove the temptation from me.

Are the tracks on backwards??

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:24 PM

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Are the tracks on backwards??

Hey Dpendzic,

Good eye, it appears they are on backwards. Do you think it helps with performance when an operator back drags a majority of the time? Maybe a better bite or something.:loco:

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Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:54 PM

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Hey Dpendzic,

Good eye, it appears they are on backwards. Do you think it helps with performance when an operator back drags a majority of the time? Maybe a better bite or something.:loco:

You’re right about the tracks being on backwards. That tractor is only a few mile from where I live. I Looked at it early this spring, but decided to pass on it.

I doubt this tractor ever had a loader, but at one time the tracks were installed backward on tractors that were equipped with end loaders.

Kelly

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Mon, Dec 3, 2012 1:23 AM

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Hey Dpendzic,

Good eye, it appears they are on backwards. Do you think it helps with performance when an operator back drags a majority of the time? Maybe a better bite or something.:loco:

The rollers are bouncing on the pin bosses, both links and rollers are worn out, the tracks are fitted the wrong way round, at those hours and some life left in the sprockets, the rollers and links could be orginal with new pins and bushes fitted at some time, thats when the tracks were re-fitted the wrong way. Its not worth a lot because chains and rollers will be as much as the finished machine is worth.....

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Mon, Dec 3, 2012 1:26 AM

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The rollers are bouncing on the pin bosses, both links and rollers are worn out, the tracks are fitted the wrong way round, at those hours and some life left in the sprockets, the rollers and links could be orginal with new pins and bushes fitted at some time, thats when the tracks were re-fitted the wrong way. Its not worth a lot because chains and rollers will be as much as the finished machine is worth.....

It looks to me, that the undercarriage has seen better days, if you look closely at the idlers, bottom rollers and top roller, it appears that they have been built up and then worn down again, the one shot that shows the bushings, they look pretty worn out, and the track roller dirt guards look like they were from a J model and cut up, to fit the U.
On the other hand, it has a nice blade and lots of other good parts, might be all you need is another one with a good undercarriage. Best see how good it runs and operates.

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Mon, Dec 3, 2012 1:50 AM

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