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Pillarman
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Finally had a chance to get my D2 3J out after 2 winters of overhauling the engine and steering clutches. Other than some kinks to work out with the new hydraulic system it works very well, pushes like a damn!

But, when driving with no load the clutch disengages fairly well, sometimes I have to hit the brake to get it to stop. The real problem occurs when pushing under load. I disengage the clutch but it won't stop. If I disengage a second or two before I want to stop it helps but if I its pushing really hard, good luck. It won't disengage and stalls the engine.

It sat for many years, and the clutch seems to snap in and out nicely.
Could it be sticky or rusty from sitting for so long? Is it out of adjustment?
It's a real pain and not real safe either.

Any suggestions??
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Mon, May 11, 2009 11:39 AM
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Have you filled the drip cup on the clutch release bearing? oiled all the pivots on the clutch linkage?

Have you inspected the clutch links between the release bearing and the pressure plate for all parts present and in reasonable condition?

If nothing is obviously wrong, running it to polish things up should help.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 7:30 PM
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Have you filled the drip cup on the clutch release bearing? oiled all the pivots on the clutch linkage?

Have you inspected the clutch links between the release bearing and the pressure plate for all parts present and in reasonable condition?

If nothing is obviously wrong, running it to polish things up should help.
I'm wondering if the pilot bearing got over greased somewhere along the line or the clutch disk has old grease/oil on it? I had a 5J a few years ago that wouldn't go into gear cold but after it warmed up, no problem. I tracked that down to grease/dirt build up in the flywheel. I don't recall the clutch hanging up like that though. Maybe time for a clutch rinse with gallon or two of diesel or kero? That was how I "cured" the problem with mine.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 8:12 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
I'm wondering if the pilot bearing got over greased somewhere along the line or the clutch disk has old grease/oil on it? I had a 5J a few years ago that wouldn't go into gear cold but after it warmed up, no problem. I tracked that down to grease/dirt build up in the flywheel. I don't recall the clutch hanging up like that though. Maybe time for a clutch rinse with gallon or two of diesel or kero? That was how I "cured" the problem with mine.
Thanks guys. All the mechanism seems to be working fine. It is somewhat oily and grimy in the housing.

When washing with kerosene or diesel, I assume I put a couple gallons in the housing and spin the clutch over.

Spin over with pup only or is it OK to fire up the main and run for a few minuites???
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Mon, May 11, 2009 11:02 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
I'm wondering if the pilot bearing got over greased somewhere along the line or the clutch disk has old grease/oil on it? I had a 5J a few years ago that wouldn't go into gear cold but after it warmed up, no problem. I tracked that down to grease/dirt build up in the flywheel. I don't recall the clutch hanging up like that though. Maybe time for a clutch rinse with gallon or two of diesel or kero? That was how I "cured" the problem with mine.
Not that this is a fix, but instead of stalling the engine just pull both steering clutch levers at the same time. This should remove the load and get your clutch to free up.

It sounds like something is binding in your clutch assembly. I also agree with lubing everything before you go any farther.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 11:05 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
I'm wondering if the pilot bearing got over greased somewhere along the line or the clutch disk has old grease/oil on it? I had a 5J a few years ago that wouldn't go into gear cold but after it warmed up, no problem. I tracked that down to grease/dirt build up in the flywheel. I don't recall the clutch hanging up like that though. Maybe time for a clutch rinse with gallon or two of diesel or kero? That was how I "cured" the problem with mine.


I am more inclined to think the pilot bearing never got greased enough and is siezing up maybe?

Washing should help. I would work it quite a bit with the solvent in there, work the clutch a lot. Drain it, grease and oil everything and work it enough to dry it out.

Tom
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Tue, May 12, 2009 4:39 AM
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I am more inclined to think the pilot bearing never got greased enough and is siezing up maybe?

Washing should help. I would work it quite a bit with the solvent in there, work the clutch a lot. Drain it, grease and oil everything and work it enough to dry it out.

Tom
I wondered about the pilot bearing also but once the clutch is out, the transmission stops fine. Always shifts really nice.

I think a wash is going to be my first step because like I said, it is fairly oily in there now. Can't hurt!
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Tue, May 12, 2009 4:45 AM
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I wondered about the pilot bearing also but once the clutch is out, the transmission stops fine. Always shifts really nice.

I think a wash is going to be my first step because like I said, it is fairly oily in there now. Can't hurt!
I had the same problem before I rebuilt the Main engine. Oil was leaking out of the rear main and getting on the clutch. Was worse when I was pushing material up a pile, more oil getting back to the clutch. Rebuilt engine, and installed new clutch disk, one in the tractor has afew missing teeth. No problems since. I would try the flush first.
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Tue, May 12, 2009 5:34 PM
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I had the same problem before I rebuilt the Main engine. Oil was leaking out of the rear main and getting on the clutch. Was worse when I was pushing material up a pile, more oil getting back to the clutch. Rebuilt engine, and installed new clutch disk, one in the tractor has afew missing teeth. No problems since. I would try the flush first.
Tim
When you dump the diesel or kero in, go ahead and work it for a while. .15 - 20 minutes or so, or just lit it sit and idle while engaging and disengaging the clutch. Put the cover back on for this or you're gonna have diesel/kero all over the place!!

Then drain it, leave the top cover off as well as the drain plug, let it sit for a few hours and run it again, shoving some dirt around while leaving the top cover off. This should finish drying everything out. Before putting the cover back on, lube everything per Cat's specs and you should be good to go.
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Tue, May 12, 2009 8:37 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
When you dump the diesel or kero in, go ahead and work it for a while. .15 - 20 minutes or so, or just lit it sit and idle while engaging and disengaging the clutch. Put the cover back on for this or you're gonna have diesel/kero all over the place!!

Then drain it, leave the top cover off as well as the drain plug, let it sit for a few hours and run it again, shoving some dirt around while leaving the top cover off. This should finish drying everything out. Before putting the cover back on, lube everything per Cat's specs and you should be good to go.
A lot of those old D2's had the clutch drain plug drilled and usually a cotter pin hung in the hole to keep it open so the clutch housing could drain. It's not a bad idea, but check before you dump in a bunch of kerosine. ($4.00/gal out here!) If it is drilled, swap temporarily with the transmission fill cap or one of your final drive caps long enough to do the wash.
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Wed, May 13, 2009 12:05 PM
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A lot of those old D2's had the clutch drain plug drilled and usually a cotter pin hung in the hole to keep it open so the clutch housing could drain. It's not a bad idea, but check before you dump in a bunch of kerosine. ($4.00/gal out here!) If it is drilled, swap temporarily with the transmission fill cap or one of your final drive caps long enough to do the wash.
Be aware that Cat warned in a 1949 Service magazine, about the danger of operating the tractor with kerosine or diesel in the clutch compartment, to wash out gunk and rust.

If you do this, the oil thread on the crankshaft can pick the dirt and gunk, and wind it through into the engine. The recommendation from Cat is that you merely wash the compartment down with a pressure spray, while the tractor is stationary ..

Clutch flushing advice .. http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6833/clutchflushing.jpg
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