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I’ve successfully avoided entry into the CAT restoration business for about 15 years. Until last month, the fact I live in an apartment in town and can’t figure out how to change the oil in my car, lured me into a false secure feeling. A hat, a T-shirt, maybe a book or two and I was good. I’d merrily help friend Marv trundle his tractors to Brooks once a year, make ice cream at the dinner, and call’er good enough.

I’d stand around and listen to men in overalls with a lifetime of experience talk about “finals” and “undercarriage”, and “pre-cups” and the ubiquitous “pony motor”. I’d even kick dirt once in a while just to fit in.

Last month Marv said he had a good starter tractor for me. He was working a deal with a land owner that is too complicated to get into here. In the end, the land owner was happy, the scrapper was happy, friend Marv was happy, and I had my D2 3J... dirt cheep.

So I am officially “in the club”. I’ve scoured this forum in search of D2 info. Lucky for me these things were made for 20 years. There seems to be plenty to go around. Also lucky for me I don’t have to worry about my new tractor actually running for quite some time. Seems everything that can be “stuck” ... is. Sweet... I’d hate to live with the embarrassment should I ruin a tractor that runs. Similarly, this should give me a few years to find the purpose for all those levers before I actually have to use them.
Already I’ve shed blood, and skin is growing back nicely on one of my knuckles. 🤘
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Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16 AM
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I reckon if Marv was any kind of buddy he would of sold you one of his D2's that already runs, steers and stops for about 50 bucks more than you just handed over, I mean I'd sure hate to lose you after 3 years of wrenching on that D2 trying to get it squared away!😆

Good luck, they made a lot of those tractors, and everyone has a war story and plenty of first aid plasters to share! Don't forget to show us the dirty photo's, we love photo's here.
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Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:42 AM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
I reckon if Marv was any kind of buddy he would of sold you one of his D2's that already runs, steers and stops for about 50 bucks more than you just handed over, I mean I'd sure hate to lose you after 3 years of wrenching on that D2 trying to get it squared away!😆

Good luck, they made a lot of those tractors, and everyone has a war story and plenty of first aid plasters to share! Don't forget to show us the dirty photo's, we love photo's here.
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This is the right side of the tractor from about 5 yards out. Why do these old farmers park their tractors in the thickest blackberry patch they can find? Must be something covered in Ag 101. Can you see any yellow in there?

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/RightSideView3J.jpg[/img]

Here is the back from about the same distance. Lots of pruning has taken place to just see this much.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/RearView3J.jpg[/img]

This is the left side after substantial pruning.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/LeftSideViewaftermuchpruning3J.jpg[/img]

Wonder what the story is with this tractor? Renegade scrappers had the pony motor, radiator, hood, and dash loose. Looks like I may trade up to a running 4U and do some swapping. Stay tuned.
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Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:48 AM
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Reply to RickS:
This is the right side of the tractor from about 5 yards out. Why do these old farmers park their tractors in the thickest blackberry patch they can find? Must be something covered in Ag 101. Can you see any yellow in there?

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/RightSideView3J.jpg[/img]

Here is the back from about the same distance. Lots of pruning has taken place to just see this much.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/RearView3J.jpg[/img]

This is the left side after substantial pruning.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/LeftSideViewaftermuchpruning3J.jpg[/img]

Wonder what the story is with this tractor? Renegade scrappers had the pony motor, radiator, hood, and dash loose. Looks like I may trade up to a running 4U and do some swapping. Stay tuned.
Those tracks look great, don't scrap them!
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Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:21 PM
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Those tracks look great, don't scrap them!
Yes tracks & rails are about 100%, 3 inches exactly between bottom of pad and bearing surface of rail. Both are CAT.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/FarmFresh2.jpg[/img]

The sprocket has a new set of teeth welded on. My friends found where each spoke was welded to the new outer ring. You can kind of see it in the picture. The tractor has 7400 hours on the clock and was made in 1945.

We figure it for a farm tractor. The draw bar also looks like new. Can't figure what this tractor was used for. No telling what the hydraulic unit was used for. No evidence of a blade, but anything could be hiding in the bushes around where this critter was pulled from.
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Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:44 AM
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Yes tracks & rails are about 100%, 3 inches exactly between bottom of pad and bearing surface of rail. Both are CAT.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/FarmFresh2.jpg[/img]

The sprocket has a new set of teeth welded on. My friends found where each spoke was welded to the new outer ring. You can kind of see it in the picture. The tractor has 7400 hours on the clock and was made in 1945.

We figure it for a farm tractor. The draw bar also looks like new. Can't figure what this tractor was used for. No telling what the hydraulic unit was used for. No evidence of a blade, but anything could be hiding in the bushes around where this critter was pulled from.
You've already made your money back on the tracks alone! They are amazing!

There is a fan shroud for it on ebay right now...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Caterpillar-D2-5U-Crawler-Cooling-Fan-Shroud-CAT-Tractor-Dozer-/270820721251

The shipping is absurd tho....
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Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM
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Reply to carlsharp:
You've already made your money back on the tracks alone! They are amazing!

There is a fan shroud for it on ebay right now...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Caterpillar-D2-5U-Crawler-Cooling-Fan-Shroud-CAT-Tractor-Dozer-/270820721251

The shipping is absurd tho....
That Fan Shroud is for a "U" series D2. Not sure if it will fit the "J" series.
Rich Salvaggio
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Thu, Sep 22, 2011 10:20 AM
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Reply to carlsharp:
You've already made your money back on the tracks alone! They are amazing!

There is a fan shroud for it on ebay right now...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Caterpillar-D2-5U-Crawler-Cooling-Fan-Shroud-CAT-Tractor-Dozer-/270820721251

The shipping is absurd tho....
Thanks Carl,

We've pretty much rejected the idea of restoring this particular tractor. The Pony is free, but the main engine is STUCK hard and needs complete overhaul. Main clutch is froze. Transmission is froze. Steering clutches are froze. Tracks will roll, but no breaks. It would be a nightmare for my first tractor project. Plus the dollars are just not there to fund such a project. Even if they were, I doubt the market value of the tractor would cover the dollars invested. This is also putting zero value on the hours and hours of work it would take. It is not the decision I wished for, but once we really looked it over, pulled the head, various inspection plates, along with educated guesses from friends who have been at this a long time, we decided on another direction.

So I'll take my time, and strip as much good stuff as possible from this tractor and scrap the rest. You may rest assured that pretty undercarriage will ride again. Most likely on a electric start 4U hidden in the back of friend Marv's shop. (it runs :thumb😊 Needs a little mechanical work, some body work and paint. Should be a lot less grief then the 3J.
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Thu, Sep 22, 2011 11:16 AM
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Thanks Carl,

We've pretty much rejected the idea of restoring this particular tractor. The Pony is free, but the main engine is STUCK hard and needs complete overhaul. Main clutch is froze. Transmission is froze. Steering clutches are froze. Tracks will roll, but no breaks. It would be a nightmare for my first tractor project. Plus the dollars are just not there to fund such a project. Even if they were, I doubt the market value of the tractor would cover the dollars invested. This is also putting zero value on the hours and hours of work it would take. It is not the decision I wished for, but once we really looked it over, pulled the head, various inspection plates, along with educated guesses from friends who have been at this a long time, we decided on another direction.

So I'll take my time, and strip as much good stuff as possible from this tractor and scrap the rest. You may rest assured that pretty undercarriage will ride again. Most likely on a electric start 4U hidden in the back of friend Marv's shop. (it runs :thumb😊 Needs a little mechanical work, some body work and paint. Should be a lot less grief then the 3J.
Stuck D2's are a tough first Cat to restore because final drives need to be removed most times, and that takes longer and more $$$ than you think it should, I'd lean towards a Twenty Two or Fifteen or a 2 Ton first myself, only one simple low compression gas motor to repair, all parts are relatively easy to find, and importantly individual parts a good safe size to handle on your own without the need for cranes, plus the tractor can be hauled safely to local old machinery rally's behind most pick ups on a good tandem axle trailer, so no need for low loaders and big trucks for hauling.

I think you are making some good decisions there with the help of your friends, there are lots of small gas Cats waiting to be bought in the USA right now, and many will be sent to China as scrap if we can't find homes for them.
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Mike
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Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:23 PM
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Stuck D2's are a tough first Cat to restore because final drives need to be removed most times, and that takes longer and more $$$ than you think it should, I'd lean towards a Twenty Two or Fifteen or a 2 Ton first myself, only one simple low compression gas motor to repair, all parts are relatively easy to find, and importantly individual parts a good safe size to handle on your own without the need for cranes, plus the tractor can be hauled safely to local old machinery rally's behind most pick ups on a good tandem axle trailer, so no need for low loaders and big trucks for hauling.

I think you are making some good decisions there with the help of your friends, there are lots of small gas Cats waiting to be bought in the USA right now, and many will be sent to China as scrap if we can't find homes for them.
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Oh, come on guys!!! Where's your sense on Adventure???

A Real Caterpillar collector will start with a parts tractor and then invest a couple thousand dollars worth of parts trying to restore it.👍👍

Seriously, in hindsight I should have made the same decision with my D2 CDU. My pins & bushings are new, good rollers, decent rails and the sprockets & idlers are usable. The steering clutches on my D2 are not stuck yet and I pull it around with the levers tied back a couple times a year to (hopefully) keep them that way. My pony motor crank bearings were shot and the main seized up after several years of sitting outside (it was covered all those years too). Once I got the head off the main engine I found 2" of water in cylinders 2 and 3 (even though it was covered and had a good mix of glycol). The rainwater also rotted the exhaust valves & seats out of the head. At this point I'm looking at doing a valve job on another head, new rings and swapping out the pony motor with one from my parts tractor. Hopefully that will all get done someday and I'll hear it run for the first time.👍

I think you are making a wise decision. Don't repeat my own mistakes (my mistakes are copyrighted, I could take legal action😆😆:lol😊.
Rich Salvaggio
D2 5U9917
'46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep, '39 Buick sedan, '49 International KB-7, '37 Allis Chalmers WC, Cushman Scooter(s)
Antique garden tractors & outboard motors
Other rusty old junk comes & goes without warning.

The 2 most useful tools to have in your shop are a Crystal Ball and a Magic Wand
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Fri, Sep 23, 2011 6:09 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
Oh, come on guys!!! Where's your sense on Adventure???

A Real Caterpillar collector will start with a parts tractor and then invest a couple thousand dollars worth of parts trying to restore it.👍👍

Seriously, in hindsight I should have made the same decision with my D2 CDU. My pins & bushings are new, good rollers, decent rails and the sprockets & idlers are usable. The steering clutches on my D2 are not stuck yet and I pull it around with the levers tied back a couple times a year to (hopefully) keep them that way. My pony motor crank bearings were shot and the main seized up after several years of sitting outside (it was covered all those years too). Once I got the head off the main engine I found 2" of water in cylinders 2 and 3 (even though it was covered and had a good mix of glycol). The rainwater also rotted the exhaust valves & seats out of the head. At this point I'm looking at doing a valve job on another head, new rings and swapping out the pony motor with one from my parts tractor. Hopefully that will all get done someday and I'll hear it run for the first time.👍

I think you are making a wise decision. Don't repeat my own mistakes (my mistakes are copyrighted, I could take legal action😆😆:lol😊.
Well, we are getting serious about harvesting what we can from this tractor.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/11.jpg[/img]

Pony motor and a few other goodies were set aside. PTO and draw bar will be saved too.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/11-2.jpg[/img]

The pony pinion/clutch assy will be saved, as well as fuel pump.


[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/11-3.jpg[/img]

Can't resist one more shot of undercarriage.

[img]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/R_G_S/CAT%20D2%20Project/D2Undercarriage.jpg[/img]


We really just about have it finished up today. Other than the tracks/ sprockets and maybe a few rollers, the only other thing we have planned is the fly wheel, or at least the ring gear. The starter pinion was rusted, but not a chewed up. What we can see of the ring gear looks good too. So we will pull the engine and see how it really is.

Sure helps to have friends who know what in the wide world of sports they are doing. Having someone who is handy with a torch is also a good thing.
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