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CAT70 Scraper: How to pull front axle stub?

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I posted this last night over on HeavyEquipmentForum. old-iron-habit suggested I post it here as well...



[quote]Found a loose bearing on the front axle of our CAT70. Went to tighten the nut and found that someone has been into this before. The nut is very loose on the shaft threads. Decided to pull the stub and see what we can do...

Removed the 1" bolt and 5/8" bolt from the axle tube. Cleaned up all the grime from around the stub shaft and from the slit in the bottom of the axle tube. Knocked a couple of punches into the slit at the bottom of the tube to try to spread it open a bit. Put a couple more chisels between the axle stub shoulder and the axle tube.

Have been tapping on the axle tube and going at the axle stub shoulder with the air hammer to no avail.

Then cut a piece of tube to fit over the axle stub, a bit bigger than the shoulder, to bear against the end of the axle tube. Made a plate for the end and carefully threaded the axle nut back on. We have the nut fairly snug but don't want to over do it because the threads aren't the greatest (the whole reason for this operation!)

Any other ideas?

Andrew

P.S. Does anyone know if the part of the axle stub that goes inside the tube is straight or tapered?[/quote]



Thanks!

Andrew
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Wed, Aug 27, 2014 9:22 PM
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Section inside the tube is straight. Probably going to take several heat/cool cycles with torch to break the rust bond.

Best to use the axle nut to retain a pulling device rather than using the nut/thread as the puller, much like pulling the dead axle on a tractor.
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Wed, Aug 27, 2014 11:52 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Section inside the tube is straight. Probably going to take several heat/cool cycles with torch to break the rust bond.

Best to use the axle nut to retain a pulling device rather than using the nut/thread as the puller, much like pulling the dead axle on a tractor.
This morning:
Drilled out a 2 3/8" hole in some plate with 3/4" holes around the edge. Tightened the plate on with the axle nut. Used some 5/8"x10"long bolts and nuts as jack screws to push the plate away from the axle tube. No luck.

Thinking now that we will clean up the threads best we can and get a new nut (threads aren't great in the nut either) and hopefully this will work for a while!

Andrew
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 12:43 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Section inside the tube is straight. Probably going to take several heat/cool cycles with torch to break the rust bond.

Best to use the axle nut to retain a pulling device rather than using the nut/thread as the puller, much like pulling the dead axle on a tractor.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Section inside the tube is straight. Probably going to take several heat/cool cycles with torch to break the rust bond.

Best to use the axle nut to retain a pulling device rather than using the nut/thread as the puller, much like pulling the dead axle on a tractor.[/quote]

The problem that I see with the heat/cool cycle is that the axle tubing is roughly 5"-6" square. That's a lot of heat! Plus, the axle is actually 2 pieces. The outside is a piece of square tubing. Inside that is the "socket" that the stub shaft is in. The two are joined by welding on the end. (Plus the 2 bolts that hold everything together.) So that ever so slight gap between the 2 is going to make it hard to heat the insert, isn't it?

Andrew
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 12:45 AM
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Reply to Andrew_D:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Section inside the tube is straight. Probably going to take several heat/cool cycles with torch to break the rust bond.

Best to use the axle nut to retain a pulling device rather than using the nut/thread as the puller, much like pulling the dead axle on a tractor.[/quote]

The problem that I see with the heat/cool cycle is that the axle tubing is roughly 5"-6" square. That's a lot of heat! Plus, the axle is actually 2 pieces. The outside is a piece of square tubing. Inside that is the "socket" that the stub shaft is in. The two are joined by welding on the end. (Plus the 2 bolts that hold everything together.) So that ever so slight gap between the 2 is going to make it hard to heat the insert, isn't it?

Andrew
Yes, the extra joint will make heat transfer difficult. Not much in the way of options. Going to take hydraulic puller force to pull that stub.
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 12:54 AM
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Yes, the extra joint will make heat transfer difficult. Not much in the way of options. Going to take hydraulic puller force to pull that stub.
The problem is what to anchor to on the stub shaft?

Since the threads on the shaft are questionable, I don't think the nut is going to hold. As it was, we stuck a grade8 3/8" bolt through the cross hole and could see it being bent under stress. The bend wasn't permanent, but it tells me that the threads aren't good!

Andrew
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 5:10 AM
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Reply to Andrew_D:
The problem is what to anchor to on the stub shaft?

Since the threads on the shaft are questionable, I don't think the nut is going to hold. As it was, we stuck a grade8 3/8" bolt through the cross hole and could see it being bent under stress. The bend wasn't permanent, but it tells me that the threads aren't good!

Andrew
Try a new nut, & get a thread chaser, chase the threads on the axle with it in place-sounds like you're going to destroy it getting out, might as well try to save it.
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 5:22 AM
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Reply to ronm:
Try a new nut, & get a thread chaser, chase the threads on the axle with it in place-sounds like you're going to destroy it getting out, might as well try to save it.


I'm hoping that a new nut will work on the remaining threads, but a new nut is 3 days away. So with the long weekend coming up, I'm going to have my fingers crossed until Tuesday!

Andrew
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Thu, Aug 28, 2014 7:26 AM
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