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Hey crew,

I got cat scratch fever, I got the cure and now I got it some more!. Over the past month I have picked to 2 d47u's and a 1950 212 was delivered yesterday morning. I wasn't looking for a grader but during a conversation with a lowboy driver about moving a machine he piped up and said " I got one of those old cat graders with a cast iron radiator and grill sitting in the woods behind my house" and that was all it took. I went and looked at it and decided it would look better sitting in the woods at my place than his so we negotiated a price and he delivered it to me. Its funny how you can run two states away to buy a machine and there will be one in your back yard waiting to be rescued. The 212 is pony start,power assist steering and has the ripper option with 5 shanks present. The first d4 is a 51 model pony start and with close to new rails, sprockets and pads. Bottom rollers are fair, front idlers are thin and split in a couple places, and 1 carrier rollers is nearly worn in half. You can pry up on the track and see a cutaway view of roller,bushing and shaft.The main is stuck but the pony rolls over . Owner said he used the tractor one day than came back later and she was stuck. I'm guessing precombustion cup rusted thru. The second d4 is a 53 model with a d4n winch and a 150% worn out bottom.Track frame is rusted thru and patched and the equalizer spring has been replaced by c-channel. One of the front idlers is a custom job with 4"x 3/8 flat stock angle cut and welded in to support hub.I'm guessing this is a very rare Keystone Front Idler that came on the D4 LTD models.Both engines are free and i was told it would run with a pull start.I worked on the 212 pony yesturday and was able to get her running on both cylinders by bottle feeding with gasoline. I was only able to get half the carb off because I didn't have a 1/2" crows foot or a custom wrench. I tried to bend one up cold at the property but one wrench turned int two. That's ok, I will trim it up and weld it back together and have a custom pony carb wrench for next time. I was hoping to get the carb cleaned up and pony running so I could light off the main yesterday but it will have to wait for another day.Some of the D4 stuff is available including the winch if anyone is interested. I am looking for a PTO and rear hydraulics for the d4 and need a turnbuckle (pictured)for lack of better words for the grader.
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Mon, May 7, 2018 10:18 PM
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Looks like some great finds, thanks for sharing
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Tue, May 8, 2018 1:48 AM
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Looks like some great finds, thanks for sharing
Got a nice collection started. And yea , this stuff is addictive.
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Tue, May 8, 2018 4:09 AM
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Got a nice collection started. And yea , this stuff is addictive.
are you sure you need to crow foot the carb off? I bought a set of crow feet a couple weeks ago to get my D2 carb off, but then my cat mechanic said you can get at enough of the innards without taking the whole thing off. nasty weather hit and I haven't had a chance to follow-up but I'm going to try that. even with the crow foot that inside nut is a b itch to get at and the outside one doesn't look much easier. that's a D2, and I can't see inside the 212 with the hood on, but they should be the same.
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Tue, May 8, 2018 6:44 AM
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are you sure you need to crow foot the carb off? I bought a set of crow feet a couple weeks ago to get my D2 carb off, but then my cat mechanic said you can get at enough of the innards without taking the whole thing off. nasty weather hit and I haven't had a chance to follow-up but I'm going to try that. even with the crow foot that inside nut is a b itch to get at and the outside one doesn't look much easier. that's a D2, and I can't see inside the 212 with the hood on, but they should be the same.
regular 1/2" wrench will undo the carb throttle body. Just need a couple of extra joints in your wrist...but cut and weld a couple of cheap Harbor Freights and you can use both to get it undone
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Tue, May 8, 2018 6:56 AM
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regular 1/2" wrench will undo the carb throttle body. Just need a couple of extra joints in your wrist...but cut and weld a couple of cheap Harbor Freights and you can use both to get it undone
It may be possible to get after that inside nut with a shorty wrench and very small hands but there is no way my sausage fingers are getting down in there.I do believe it would be the same as a d2 being a d311. I thought about just cleaning up the aluminum bowl and jets but wasn't sure what that little brass pin was coming out of the cast iron throttle body.There was a spring loaded brass tube coming out of the bowl going up into the cover and I have no clue as to what it is for. I have rebuilt my share of carbs but this little zenith is a bit unusual. That's the bonus of cheap tools, it doesn't hurt so bad when ya hack em up!
I have the pony fuel tank in a citric acid solution ( Thanks for the tip OZ Dozer ) and should be cleaned up in a few days.Can someone chime in and tell me if I need to remove the oil fill pipe/pcv tube in order to get the throttle body to clear the mounting studs. I'm afraid if I try to bend the tube for clearance it will kink or crack.

Quick shout out to OZ, did you ever get that Cadillac generator engine unstuck.

Thanks for all the comments everyone

Jim
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Tue, May 8, 2018 8:21 AM
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It may be possible to get after that inside nut with a shorty wrench and very small hands but there is no way my sausage fingers are getting down in there.I do believe it would be the same as a d2 being a d311. I thought about just cleaning up the aluminum bowl and jets but wasn't sure what that little brass pin was coming out of the cast iron throttle body.There was a spring loaded brass tube coming out of the bowl going up into the cover and I have no clue as to what it is for. I have rebuilt my share of carbs but this little zenith is a bit unusual. That's the bonus of cheap tools, it doesn't hurt so bad when ya hack em up!
I have the pony fuel tank in a citric acid solution ( Thanks for the tip OZ Dozer ) and should be cleaned up in a few days.Can someone chime in and tell me if I need to remove the oil fill pipe/pcv tube in order to get the throttle body to clear the mounting studs. I'm afraid if I try to bend the tube for clearance it will kink or crack.

Quick shout out to OZ, did you ever get that Cadillac generator engine unstuck.

Thanks for all the comments everyone

Jim
I have another question for everyone, the chain cases on the dual drives is pushed out from the inside top and bottom where the drive axle mounts. Is it caused by a broken chain that bunches up and pushes out. I pulled one of the inspection covers on top and found allot of slop in the chain. On the good side the case was clean with oil up to the fill plug. Is there a way to tighten up those chains.

Jim
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Tue, May 8, 2018 8:45 AM
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I have another question for everyone, the chain cases on the dual drives is pushed out from the inside top and bottom where the drive axle mounts. Is it caused by a broken chain that bunches up and pushes out. I pulled one of the inspection covers on top and found allot of slop in the chain. On the good side the case was clean with oil up to the fill plug. Is there a way to tighten up those chains.

Jim
Hi Jim, nice finds. I'm sure you will enjoy playing with your old iron there. I don't have alot of insight into your issues there but I was wondering how did you find your truck and triaxle for moving your 7U? Looks like a 90s Ford- I'm going to guess F350? I'm going to guess your 7U weighs around 10,000 and then the trailer another 4? Gooseneck I'm guessing? I'm just wondering because I'm hoping to aquire my grandpa's 7U and thinking about what would be necessary to move it safely. My grandpa's has a D4N winch and complete blade and canopy. I'm guessing it is somewhere around 15,000lb. Wondering what people think about single, duallies, triaxle singles enough? It's pretty up and down around here. I would most likely get a manual trans and exhaust brake would be nice. My wife is advocating for a full size truck these days but I love my old Toyota Landcruiser too much. Any thoughts?

Thanks- Nathan
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Tue, May 8, 2018 10:46 AM
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Hi Jim, nice finds. I'm sure you will enjoy playing with your old iron there. I don't have alot of insight into your issues there but I was wondering how did you find your truck and triaxle for moving your 7U? Looks like a 90s Ford- I'm going to guess F350? I'm going to guess your 7U weighs around 10,000 and then the trailer another 4? Gooseneck I'm guessing? I'm just wondering because I'm hoping to aquire my grandpa's 7U and thinking about what would be necessary to move it safely. My grandpa's has a D4N winch and complete blade and canopy. I'm guessing it is somewhere around 15,000lb. Wondering what people think about single, duallies, triaxle singles enough? It's pretty up and down around here. I would most likely get a manual trans and exhaust brake would be nice. My wife is advocating for a full size truck these days but I love my old Toyota Landcruiser too much. Any thoughts?

Thanks- Nathan
My 7U weighs 14,370#. I haul it on a tandem axle duel wheel goose neck trailer. The trailer capacity is 20,000# and the trailer weighs 6,000#. I pull it with a single wheel 3500 GMC and have no issues in the hills. If you haul that much weight on a three axle, it really puts a real bind on the axles when making tight turns.
D-4 7U-43159 with 4S dozer and Cat 40 scraper, D-7 3T-1179 with Cat 7S hydraulic dozer, D-7 17A 13,944, D-8 14A-1160 with Cat 8S cable dozer, Cat 12-99E-4433 Grader. All runners and users.
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Tue, May 8, 2018 11:17 AM
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My 7U weighs 14,370#. I haul it on a tandem axle duel wheel goose neck trailer. The trailer capacity is 20,000# and the trailer weighs 6,000#. I pull it with a single wheel 3500 GMC and have no issues in the hills. If you haul that much weight on a three axle, it really puts a real bind on the axles when making tight turns.
Paso Bob thanks for your input. Yes I can see the tandem being nice that way. One thing I was thinking about it you've got 26000 behind your truck now on SRW. That's alot of weight. Not sure what truck you exactly have but maybe that's not exactly legal although it tows ok? I guess I have to do more research. If I do get a full-size I am leaning towards a F350 Super Duty 4x4, 7.3/ 6spd and would prefer to stay with singles. I am kinda doubting I could legally tow a D4 7U on a triaxle or tandem dual either way. Maybe people just tow overloaded and don't think much of it? Hmm
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Tue, May 8, 2018 12:13 PM
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Paso Bob thanks for your input. Yes I can see the tandem being nice that way. One thing I was thinking about it you've got 26000 behind your truck now on SRW. That's alot of weight. Not sure what truck you exactly have but maybe that's not exactly legal although it tows ok? I guess I have to do more research. If I do get a full-size I am leaning towards a F350 Super Duty 4x4, 7.3/ 6spd and would prefer to stay with singles. I am kinda doubting I could legally tow a D4 7U on a triaxle or tandem dual either way. Maybe people just tow overloaded and don't think much of it? Hmm
There's a decal on the truck door which tells you what the GCW is for the truck and trailer combination. I can just squeak by with my single wheel F350 and a dual tire, two axle gooseneck and D2 (not the lightest trailer....)
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