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Has anyone run across any info on Wm Bros Boiler & Mfgr Co. Minn Mn.
This crawler has a tag on it from this company.
Also no serial #'s to be found. Looks to be a '32 PS. Has very old orange paint (I suspect an old county rig... has old road mix on undercarriage) cat yellow and then odd a green base color at the bottom on many of the parts. Is there any way to date code any of the parts. I checked the rear for a year. None. Also between cyls on block @ left side, rear above pto. Nothing.
Has all the later parts.
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Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:25 PM
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That's a nice tractor and blade setup, and is a real classic. Don't have anything much on William Bros .. except that I can tell you, that the "Bros" wasn't an abbreviation of "brothers", as you'd normally presume .. but the name of the company was actually, "William Bros", with the surname of Bros .. they were in business for a long time, but appear to have been more closely associated with railroad production.
Perhaps the severe downtrend in steam in the 1930's sent them over to construction attachment building.
There is no mention of them in my 156 page, 1929 "Dotted Line" catalog, which lists every supplier of attachments for Cats, under company names, as well as under products.

The original wooden factory for "William Bros Boiler & Mfg" was built on Nicollet Island, MN, in 1886 and burnt down in 1893. A new brick building replaced it. This building still stands, and is now the Nicollet Island Pavilion .. this following guide still errs in calling the company "William Brothers".

http://fieldguide.fmr.org/site_detail.php?site_id=120

http://www.mintahoe.com/index.cfm?objectid=69AC6B76-1372-537E-D58CA5AD9A53B7F9

William Bros Boiler Mfg changed its name to "Bros Incorporated" in the 1950's, and there are numerous lawsuits listed on the 'net involving both company names. It's difficult doing a Google search, because a search always presumes you are looking for "brothers", and not "Bros".

I seem to recall that several States in the late 1920's, ordered Cats in specified bright colors, to make them more visible in poor light on highway construction projects, to reduce the number of auto accidents involving cars and trucks running into parked equipment. This was apparently one of the driving factors behind the change to highway yellow .. besides the marketing people stating that they needed a bright color to lift peoples spirits at the lowest point of the Great Depression.

In 1931, Missouri was already specifying Silver color on all county orders, and Kansas was specifying a particular Orange color. Hi-Way Yellow was chosen .. "after full consideration of every factor - attractiveness of appearance, the safety factor of high visibility use, the legal requirements in certain localities for machines used on the highways, durability of paint, and protection of the surface" ..

It is not widely known, that the final paragraph of the inter-office memo issued in early December 1931, read .. "Road machines can be supplied in colors other than Hi-Way Yellow, at the extra cost shown in the current price list. Unless your orders specify otherwise, you will be supplied with tractors and road machines of the above color, hereafter. Purchasers of tractors, will now also have the option, at no extra cost, of Silver Gray, trimmed in black - a lighter, brighter, and more attractive shade of gray than has been standard in the past. However, if this color is desired, your orders must so specify - otherwise tractors will be painted Hi-Way Yellow. The present Gray, and any other colors other than Hi-Way Yellow and Silver Gray, may be had at the extra charge shown in the current price list".
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Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34 AM
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That's a nice tractor and blade setup, and is a real classic. Don't have anything much on William Bros .. except that I can tell you, that the "Bros" wasn't an abbreviation of "brothers", as you'd normally presume .. but the name of the company was actually, "William Bros", with the surname of Bros .. they were in business for a long time, but appear to have been more closely associated with railroad production.
Perhaps the severe downtrend in steam in the 1930's sent them over to construction attachment building.
There is no mention of them in my 156 page, 1929 "Dotted Line" catalog, which lists every supplier of attachments for Cats, under company names, as well as under products.

The original wooden factory for "William Bros Boiler & Mfg" was built on Nicollet Island, MN, in 1886 and burnt down in 1893. A new brick building replaced it. This building still stands, and is now the Nicollet Island Pavilion .. this following guide still errs in calling the company "William Brothers".

http://fieldguide.fmr.org/site_detail.php?site_id=120

http://www.mintahoe.com/index.cfm?objectid=69AC6B76-1372-537E-D58CA5AD9A53B7F9

William Bros Boiler Mfg changed its name to "Bros Incorporated" in the 1950's, and there are numerous lawsuits listed on the 'net involving both company names. It's difficult doing a Google search, because a search always presumes you are looking for "brothers", and not "Bros".

I seem to recall that several States in the late 1920's, ordered Cats in specified bright colors, to make them more visible in poor light on highway construction projects, to reduce the number of auto accidents involving cars and trucks running into parked equipment. This was apparently one of the driving factors behind the change to highway yellow .. besides the marketing people stating that they needed a bright color to lift peoples spirits at the lowest point of the Great Depression.

In 1931, Missouri was already specifying Silver color on all county orders, and Kansas was specifying a particular Orange color. Hi-Way Yellow was chosen .. "after full consideration of every factor - attractiveness of appearance, the safety factor of high visibility use, the legal requirements in certain localities for machines used on the highways, durability of paint, and protection of the surface" ..

It is not widely known, that the final paragraph of the inter-office memo issued in early December 1931, read .. "Road machines can be supplied in colors other than Hi-Way Yellow, at the extra cost shown in the current price list. Unless your orders specify otherwise, you will be supplied with tractors and road machines of the above color, hereafter. Purchasers of tractors, will now also have the option, at no extra cost, of Silver Gray, trimmed in black - a lighter, brighter, and more attractive shade of gray than has been standard in the past. However, if this color is desired, your orders must so specify - otherwise tractors will be painted Hi-Way Yellow. The present Gray, and any other colors other than Hi-Way Yellow and Silver Gray, may be had at the extra charge shown in the current price list".
My D47U has a Bros dozer. My father bought this machine from the local Caterpillar dealer in 1953. The Korean War probably was the reason that Cat used the off brand dozer. The Bros Dozer was more modern looking and has different hydraulic cylinders than Cat used. It is very hard to find end bits for the blade but normal cutting edges work. I have never seen another Bros blade on anything else.
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Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:07 PM
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My D47U has a Bros dozer. My father bought this machine from the local Caterpillar dealer in 1953. The Korean War probably was the reason that Cat used the off brand dozer. The Bros Dozer was more modern looking and has different hydraulic cylinders than Cat used. It is very hard to find end bits for the blade but normal cutting edges work. I have never seen another Bros blade on anything else.
Thanks for the info. I did find Wm Bros listed as approved Caterpillar equipment for dozer blades in a 1932 reference.
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Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:04 PM
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Thanks for the info. I did find Wm Bros listed as approved Caterpillar equipment for dozer blades in a 1932 reference.
PG, is this machine going to make it into your stable? It looks like a worthy candidate. My typical lament, all the nice machines seem to be on the west coast.
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Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:51 PM
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PG, is this machine going to make it into your stable? It looks like a worthy candidate. My typical lament, all the nice machines seem to be on the west coast.
B4D2,

Yes it is good company with the others. Attached is the blade tag.

This came only 30 miles from me and was brought down to safety from a large forest fire last summer. Delivery was part of the deal which happened last weekend. This 30 will not be repainted as it has way too much eye appeal as is. Just fixing what it needs mechanically. I have the correct seat brackets. This tractor has a rear spool made from a Ford AA rear end (I think) nicely done and looks period correct. I'm not sure if I'm keeping it on as I also have a manufactured period correct horizontal winch that came off a thirty.

That 30 in Minn for $700 don't look too bad, funny I was thinking I wish it were closer....

(2) Cat 22's (2) IHC T-20's, Cat Thirty, Cat D2, Cat D4, IHC TD6
Adams Grader, '27 Graham Bros 1-t Dump, many Dodge Power Wagons
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