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Hi All,
Can someone please look up the correct part no for the pistons in the main diesel eng of my 13A01533. I can’t lay my hands on the correct parts book and nothing else I have seems close. Everything I have lists 4 ring pistons and I have 3 ring ones.
Will the pistons from a 1H eng suit. I believe after reading some other threads there are many variations on these old girls.
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 12:17 PM
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 12:22 PM
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Hi Mark,
have a well used 3 ringer here with P/No 4M9110 stamped in one top valve pocket and same number cast into the body inside it.
Body Part Numbers cast into the bodies can be different to the actual piston P/No.

If I could post pix here I would do so as this one has a punched up-worn valve pocket, but, beggars cannot be choosers--was one piston and a liner I saved from the bin in case my old RD6 needed a new lung.
Then was thinking of making a small model engine using piston bodies.
Cheers,
Eddie B.

Mark, I have sent a text message with pix 😊
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 12:59 PM
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Thanks Ed
I have 2 good ones, 2 50/50 ones and 2 stuffed ones. The only no’s I can find are 122N on the outside top of the crown. STD is also marked there and the arrow to locate them correctly. I have a spare eng here serial no 1H07321 which I’m reluctant to strip unless it’s compatible. I will be removing the pilot motor though as I believe these all interchange. Hope you are well
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 1:08 PM
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Reply to Hutchy:
Thanks Ed
I have 2 good ones, 2 50/50 ones and 2 stuffed ones. The only no’s I can find are 122N on the outside top of the crown. STD is also marked there and the arrow to locate them correctly. I have a spare eng here serial no 1H07321 which I’m reluctant to strip unless it’s compatible. I will be removing the pilot motor though as I believe these all interchange. Hope you are well
Hi Mark
the book here for 13A1 to 13A3703 shows 3 compresion and 1oil ring piston assembly 1H5624. Also have 2H 3cyl book shows two different pistons both 3 compression an 2 oil rings.
Is it possible you have later updated pistons?
cheers Colin
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 3:14 PM
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Thanks Col,
Leaning towards later style pistons as all the books I have show 3 comp 1 oil and 3 comp and 2 oil rings. I have been able to locate some 3 comp and 1 oil ring pistons (nos) but am getting a bit thrown off by the different rings. Don’t want to put it all back together and end up in trouble. Thanks for the info
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Tue, Aug 6, 2019 4:37 PM
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Thanks Col,
Leaning towards later style pistons as all the books I have show 3 comp 1 oil and 3 comp and 2 oil rings. I have been able to locate some 3 comp and 1 oil ring pistons (nos) but am getting a bit thrown off by the different rings. Don’t want to put it all back together and end up in trouble. Thanks for the info
Hi Mark,
I feel I have seen a mix of 3 and 4 ring pistons in older engines but would be reluctant to fit the early 6 ring ones in a later engine--you need the iron filler band for the top ring for best longevity/reliability. These were some of the changes done as the Horse Power was increased over the years.
I may still have a brand new Old Stock 6 ringer RD6 style piston here too.

From memory the first 1H D8's were around 115 HP and the D8K's somewhere around 300 HP--not bad for a basic engine design from the 1930's

I used to get the honour of using the Manu-lathe to open up the worn top ring grooves in the old pistons without the iron bands when overhauling engines way back when in the 1960's as an Apprentice.

A check of the NPR and related Service Mag. etc. articles with each piston P/No update may give a clue to mix-ability of said pistons.
Compression heights and weights would likely remain the same throughout--BUT-- would need to be checked.

Not much help but there it is.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thanks Ed,
At this stage I think I will pull a piston out of the 1H eng and have a look. I can get everything else off the shelf for reasonable dollars. Was quoted a liner kit inc pistons and rings and when I pushed we found they were updated no’s that suited D8H/K. D342 id say, wasn’t sure if they would compare so I gave them a miss, a bit pricey for a toy tractor to. Thanks again
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Wed, Aug 7, 2019 2:37 PM
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Thanks Ed,
At this stage I think I will pull a piston out of the 1H eng and have a look. I can get everything else off the shelf for reasonable dollars. Was quoted a liner kit inc pistons and rings and when I pushed we found they were updated no’s that suited D8H/K. D342 id say, wasn’t sure if they would compare so I gave them a miss, a bit pricey for a toy tractor to. Thanks again
Mark .
The piston in your photo looks the same as what is in my 17A. IE; 3 rings with the relief for the valves and the steel plug in the top of the piston. my 17A is non turbo .
I also have a dismantled turbo 17A engine here and it has more rings per piston . These engines have flush valves in the heads . That is why the relief cuts in the top of the pistons . This dismantled engine being a turbo engine I suspect will not be the correct piston for you.
Your 1H engine should have recessed valves and will not have the valve relief in the pistons . If you were to use the 1H pistons you would have to use the 1H heads .
I will try to remember to take some photos tomorrow and post them on here .
Your neighbour with the sawmill has a dismantled 17A there . It would be interesting to have a look and see if those pistons are the same.
I also know of a used set of 17A pistons and sleeves sitting on a shelf near here . I dont know if they are available or not.
Andrew Kennedy.
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Wed, Aug 7, 2019 5:50 PM
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Mark .
The piston in your photo looks the same as what is in my 17A. IE; 3 rings with the relief for the valves and the steel plug in the top of the piston. my 17A is non turbo .
I also have a dismantled turbo 17A engine here and it has more rings per piston . These engines have flush valves in the heads . That is why the relief cuts in the top of the pistons . This dismantled engine being a turbo engine I suspect will not be the correct piston for you.
Your 1H engine should have recessed valves and will not have the valve relief in the pistons . If you were to use the 1H pistons you would have to use the 1H heads .
I will try to remember to take some photos tomorrow and post them on here .
Your neighbour with the sawmill has a dismantled 17A there . It would be interesting to have a look and see if those pistons are the same.
I also know of a used set of 17A pistons and sleeves sitting on a shelf near here . I dont know if they are available or not.
Andrew Kennedy.
Here is a photo of a 6 ring 1H piston beside a 4 ring 17A turbo piston.
Also a early 2U head with recessed valves and saddle type injectors.
And a turbo 17A head with flush valves from the same engine as the piston pictured..
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Thu, Aug 8, 2019 7:36 AM
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Here is a photo of a 6 ring 1H piston beside a 4 ring 17A turbo piston.
Also a early 2U head with recessed valves and saddle type injectors.
And a turbo 17A head with flush valves from the same engine as the piston pictured..
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These numbers all cross, 1H5624, 1M3495, 4M9112, 4H9987, 3S4040 and probably more. 9M9110 is not a good number for a piston, but 4M9110 is a good number for a piston body. Here is the list of compatible machines, no reference to a cross to the 1H series.
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