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11 Auto Patrol diesel and no fuel.

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Lars Brownlie
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I have an 11 tandem autopatrol which is giving problems starting on diesel. I have noticed that it seems to lose prime in the injection system. I have plenty of fresh fuel, (3/4 tank) fuel bled out the top of the injector housing under pressure, (pony running) the injector rack is fully back and free to slide, the plungers are visually functioning normally with no visible bypass leakage, their pinions are free to rotate with the rack, but it refuses to bleed fuel out of the injector fittings on top. Throttle is wide open.

What am I missing here. This seems to have started off and on over the last couple years. Yesterday it attempted to start but literally acted like it ran out of fuel.

How long do I dare run this on pony before it bleeds? Pony works fine.
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Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:57 PM
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Hi Lars,
have you bled the air from the injection pumps. There are little bleed screws in behind each pump unit, they have 2 flats on the screw.
Scan below on bleeding the fuel system is from the later grey No11 Operator's Instruction Book.
Early style fuel system is similar but the injection pumps bleed screws are at the front of the pumps.

If you have bled the pumps and are still getting air then it is possible that one of the injector needles has stuck open. This lets compression gases back into the system thus, seemingly filling the system with air.

With the injector line nuts loose at the injectors and the main engine cranking over, watch for a spurt of aerated fuel coming from the line nut as compression pushes past the stuck needle/seat.
Alternatively remove the injectors and test them.
This can be done by removing them and re-attaching to the injection lines and cranking the engine over with the pony with the fuel levers in the on/run position. The injectors should atomise the fuel to a fine spray with the injectors giving off an audible skwark. If you get a stream of fuel from an injector it is most likely the faulty one.

WARNING, face the injectors so you will not come in contact with the spray. The spray can penetrate your skin and give you blood poisoning with possible fatal results.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:45 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Lars,
have you bled the air from the injection pumps. There are little bleed screws in behind each pump unit, they have 2 flats on the screw.
Scan below on bleeding the fuel system is from the later grey No11 Operator's Instruction Book.
Early style fuel system is similar but the injection pumps bleed screws are at the front of the pumps.

If you have bled the pumps and are still getting air then it is possible that one of the injector needles has stuck open. This lets compression gases back into the system thus, seemingly filling the system with air.

With the injector line nuts loose at the injectors and the main engine cranking over, watch for a spurt of aerated fuel coming from the line nut as compression pushes past the stuck needle/seat.
Alternatively remove the injectors and test them.
This can be done by removing them and re-attaching to the injection lines and cranking the engine over with the pony with the fuel levers in the on/run position. The injectors should atomise the fuel to a fine spray with the injectors giving off an audible skwark. If you get a stream of fuel from an injector it is most likely the faulty one.

WARNING, face the injectors so you will not come in contact with the spray. The spray can penetrate your skin and give you blood poisoning with possible fatal results.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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I managed to get the injector screws loose but it took an impact driver. I also found the bleeder valve on top of the pump drive housing leaking air into the system. What can you say for a 1937 or 38 early model. It runs well and starts good. Anyone looking for a spare 11 out there?
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Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55 PM
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Reply to Lars Brownlie:
I managed to get the injector screws loose but it took an impact driver. I also found the bleeder valve on top of the pump drive housing leaking air into the system. What can you say for a 1937 or 38 early model. It runs well and starts good. Anyone looking for a spare 11 out there?
Hi Lars,
thanks for getting back to us here on the BB.
Good work there getting those tight bleeder screws to undo, they can be a beast to get at hidden in back of the pump units.
Nice to hear the old girl runs again. Those 3 lunger engines have the sweetest sound and will lug like crazy.
Enjoy it while you have it. They are addictive.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thu, Oct 4, 2012 6:56 AM
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