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Hi forum, just finished rebuilding my D7 3T engine D8800. I purchased a second engine but the block was cracked between the oil and water gallery just above where the liner ''O'' rings sit. I ended up stripping down the original engine and built one out of the two. Trouble is both crankshafts are beyond there wear limits and so I picked the best out of the two and used it for the rebuild. I am about to start using the dozer but want to replace the crank soon with the spare after a grind. The regrind is only available as a 0.050'' grind. The parts book lists the main journal kit as 2F0491 consisting of 1 x 2F0484 front bearing, 1 x 2F0488 centre bearing, 2 x 2F0486 intermediate bearings and 1 x 2F0490 bearing. Our local Cat dealer is unable to supply the centre bearing and said it is a discontinued line. The parts book also lists the bearings available as babbit or aluminium bearings but does not state what type the above are. Does anybody know where I can get these bearings or just the one as required.
The other problem is the 0.050'' big end bearings listed 7B1792 and 7B1793 do not suit the original connecting rod and lists a complete 0.050'' undersize connecting rod assembly of a different part number. I need some help???
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Thu, Mar 22, 2018 4:15 PM
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My after market catalogs only show 0.020 and 0.030" undersizes.
Check with Mike Mahler on here, he may be able to fix you up.
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Thu, Mar 22, 2018 11:33 PM
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My after market catalogs only show 0.020 and 0.030" undersizes.
Check with Mike Mahler on here, he may be able to fix you up.
Tillys Toowoomba have after market bearings . Can be a bit hard to get parts off them sometimes if you dont know your part numbers.
Some odd undersize sizes are available also .Eg. 25 thou .
Also last weekend I bought a heap of D7 parts at a clearing sale at Cunamulla. Amongst this stuff is a 3T block, complete with crank and bearings . If you thought it worthwhile I could have a look and see what the crank and bearings looks like . Freight will not be cheap though . I would not hesitate to use second hand bearings if new are not easily available and they measure up ok.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 5:07 AM
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A review of the Cat numerical parts record "NPR" shows the 2f bearing were replace long ago by a newer design as follows:
original replacement florin tractor parts stock, Sacramento CA
Set 2f0491 6f1942 14
front 2f0484 6f1935 51
center2f0488 6f1937 14
inter 2f0486 6f1936 4
rear 2f0490 9f1938 1

If you search machinery trader they are othere sources.I believe the orignian 2f bearings were probably babbit, the 6f are aluminum. The aluminum bearings require more clearance, but that is built into the bearing. I would not suggest using a mixture of babbit and aluminum bearings.
Also if you would have a newer parts book it showns only the later 6f bearings.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 6:50 AM
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Reply to brian18a:
A review of the Cat numerical parts record "NPR" shows the 2f bearing were replace long ago by a newer design as follows:
original replacement florin tractor parts stock, Sacramento CA
Set 2f0491 6f1942 14
front 2f0484 6f1935 51
center2f0488 6f1937 14
inter 2f0486 6f1936 4
rear 2f0490 9f1938 1

If you search machinery trader they are othere sources.I believe the orignian 2f bearings were probably babbit, the 6f are aluminum. The aluminum bearings require more clearance, but that is built into the bearing. I would not suggest using a mixture of babbit and aluminum bearings.
Also if you would have a newer parts book it showns only the later 6f bearings.
Thanks for the info brian18a and Andrew. I have checked the 6F numbers with Tilly's here in Australia and they are all in stock including the rear seal. They do not do the kit but do the individual bearings. The other problem I have is the big end bearings listed as 7B1792 and 7B1793 in 0.050'' suiting a different connecting rod assembly in the parts book. Seems strange to have to buy a complete connecting rod to go 0.050'' undersize. Anyone know if 0.050'' undersize bearing shells are available to suit the original connecting rods on this engine.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 9:19 AM
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Reply to Prospectorgav:
Thanks for the info brian18a and Andrew. I have checked the 6F numbers with Tilly's here in Australia and they are all in stock including the rear seal. They do not do the kit but do the individual bearings. The other problem I have is the big end bearings listed as 7B1792 and 7B1793 in 0.050'' suiting a different connecting rod assembly in the parts book. Seems strange to have to buy a complete connecting rod to go 0.050'' undersize. Anyone know if 0.050'' undersize bearing shells are available to suit the original connecting rods on this engine.
what is the forging number of your rods, will tell what bearing would fit.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 9:30 AM
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what is the forging number of your rods, will tell what bearing would fit.
Forge number on the rod is 7B6225.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 11:53 AM
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Forge number on the rod is 7B6225.
That forging no. gives rod assembly 7b6226 std, or 7b1930 0.050 us
The original 0.050 bearing consisted of two parts 7b1792 and 7b1793, probably babbit
The two parts were replaced by one of 6f1951, which was replaced by 4h5509, and that was replaced by 2m6501. The 4h5509 and 2m6501 are aluminum.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 10:06 PM
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That forging no. gives rod assembly 7b6226 std, or 7b1930 0.050 us
The original 0.050 bearing consisted of two parts 7b1792 and 7b1793, probably babbit
The two parts were replaced by one of 6f1951, which was replaced by 4h5509, and that was replaced by 2m6501. The 4h5509 and 2m6501 are aluminum.
I suspect the reason for the rod change is a different bearing shell thickness.
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Fri, Mar 23, 2018 10:49 PM
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I suspect the reason for the rod change is a different bearing shell thickness.
It looks to me that the 7B1792-3 should work in the 7B6225 rod, another one of those situations where there is so many different part numbers and applications for these parts, that it gets complicated to work out a cross.
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[quote="Prospectorgav"]Hi forum, just finished rebuilding my D7 3T engine D8800. I purchased a second engine but the block was cracked between the oil and water gallery just above where the liner ''O'' rings sit. I ended up stripping down the original engine and built one out of the two. Trouble is both crankshafts are beyond there wear limits and so I picked the best out of the two and used it for the rebuild. I am about to start using the dozer but want to replace the crank soon with the spare after a grind. The regrind is only available as a 0.050'' grind. The parts book lists the main journal kit as 2F0491 consisting of 1 x 2F0484 front bearing, 1 x 2F0488 centre bearing, 2 x 2F0486 intermediate bearings and 1 x 2F0490 bearing. Our local Cat dealer is unable to supply the centre bearing and said it is a discontinued line. The parts book also lists the bearings available as babbit or aluminium bearings but does not state what type the above are. Does anybody know where I can get these bearings or just the one as required.
The other problem is the 0.050'' big end bearings listed 7B1792 and 7B1793 do not suit the original connecting rod and lists a complete 0.050'' undersize connecting rod assembly of a different part number. I need some help???[/quote]

try your part numbers on Machinery Trader Parts, American Crane & Tractor and Daniel at Gardner Caterpillar in Ohio
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