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andyindy
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112 3u grader with D315 engine, would front PTO from a D4 w/ D315 engine work? Thinking might be another option for accessorie drive or D4 hyd unit. Thanks, Andy.
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Sun, Sep 4, 2016 10:48 AM
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Don't see why not.

Probably ways to do it cheaper depending on how much capacity you need. If just enough for power steering, that is usually done off the power shaft that drives the controls. Should be able to scale it up if you need more flow.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, Sep 4, 2016 11:37 AM
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Don't see why not.

Probably ways to do it cheaper depending on how much capacity you need. If just enough for power steering, that is usually done off the power shaft that drives the controls. Should be able to scale it up if you need more flow.
You could use a 44 pump to control a scarifier, or like a 112 I saw with worn lift gears they used Hyd cyl's in place of the lift links to adjust the blade for finer grading
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Sun, Sep 4, 2016 1:16 PM
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Reply to STEPHEN:
You could use a 44 pump to control a scarifier, or like a 112 I saw with worn lift gears they used Hyd cyl's in place of the lift links to adjust the blade for finer grading
Hi, Andyindy.
I can't see any reason why it would not work, unless there are some slight differences in the radiator spacings and/or mounts. If you already have all the bits, it shouldn't be too hard to do.

Re STEPHEN'S comment about the blade lift rams in place of the lift links, this makes them a much more 'user-friendly' machine 'cos you don't need to alter the lift links to get the blade right out to the side for cutting side slopes. It is also easier on the wrists, especially if there is much wear in the dog clutches or the lift gears.

Here is a link to some fairly detailed instructions for adjustments to cater for such wear.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?20409-Cat-12-Graders-Pre-G-series

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sun, Sep 4, 2016 9:28 PM
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Hi, Andyindy.
I can't see any reason why it would not work, unless there are some slight differences in the radiator spacings and/or mounts. If you already have all the bits, it shouldn't be too hard to do.

Re STEPHEN'S comment about the blade lift rams in place of the lift links, this makes them a much more 'user-friendly' machine 'cos you don't need to alter the lift links to get the blade right out to the side for cutting side slopes. It is also easier on the wrists, especially if there is much wear in the dog clutches or the lift gears.

Here is a link to some fairly detailed instructions for adjustments to cater for such wear.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?20409-Cat-12-Graders-Pre-G-series

Just my 0.02.
Hi all, thks for replys! Was thinking of using a belt driven alternator and possibly a belt driven hyd pump from a Massey combine with the crank mounted PTO shaft. I realize some fabrication is needed, but have a machinist background and basic tools, lathe, shaper, ect. Really don't need hyd system yet, but could add it later, but the idea of replacing links with cylinders is GREAT!!! After it is all fabbed up, I have some louvered panels to enclose it when done. Keep those great ideas a comin!!!!👋
Guess I'm looking for the crank mounted PTO and whatever is needed to get it set up. Any body have
one for sale?
THANKS, Andy....
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Sun, Sep 4, 2016 10:37 PM
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Hi all, thks for replys! Was thinking of using a belt driven alternator and possibly a belt driven hyd pump from a Massey combine with the crank mounted PTO shaft. I realize some fabrication is needed, but have a machinist background and basic tools, lathe, shaper, ect. Really don't need hyd system yet, but could add it later, but the idea of replacing links with cylinders is GREAT!!! After it is all fabbed up, I have some louvered panels to enclose it when done. Keep those great ideas a comin!!!!👋
Guess I'm looking for the crank mounted PTO and whatever is needed to get it set up. Any body have
one for sale?
THANKS, Andy....
Check that bottom radiator tank assembly on the 3U for mounting provisions. They are not the same as the D4 tractor.
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Mon, Sep 5, 2016 8:09 AM
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I would look the existing power shaft over for convenient spots to mount pulleys etc. Its a live shaft, turns at engine rpm and is designed to transmit some HP. My old 212 had a pulley mounted at the front u-joint to run the power steering pump. the floor of the cab might limit how big of a pulley you could mount.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Mon, Sep 5, 2016 9:32 AM
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I would look the existing power shaft over for convenient spots to mount pulleys etc. Its a live shaft, turns at engine rpm and is designed to transmit some HP. My old 212 had a pulley mounted at the front u-joint to run the power steering pump. the floor of the cab might limit how big of a pulley you could mount.
Thats a roger cc jersey,( we used to have Holstiens here). Power steering is set up that way now. After seeing some of the set up's here where they remove or modify the generator, to run accessories, I was thinking the crank driven set up would be simpler with more room for extra stuff. The way they modified the gen was pretty slick tho!
Alternator is is at top of my list along with a larger 12 volt battery to be able to run some lights.
Andy
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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