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Have had this d4 for a few years, haven't done much more than piddle around with it - too many other projects. But I'm gonna need it for some grade work so it's a good excuse to take care of some stuff. I'm probably going to run out of weather, I should have been doing this a month and a half ago.

Going to have to change the oil and filter. The trans and clutch oils look fine, but they're a couple inches too high on the dip stick. I'll drain them down to the correct level for now. The left brake doesn't work too well. When I pulled the steering clutch access panel, I got a good wiff of trans oil (probably from the overfilled trans) I'm hoping a good washing will take care of that. What's a good solvent - kerosene or diesel? Or something else? Where is the drain plug for those compartments?

Engine runs OK, sounds like it has a leaky exhaust valve on one cylinder, but probably not bad enough to tear down before I get some actual work done.

Going to have to replace the hydraulic hoses. The cretin who owned this before me had put a couple of water valves in the hydraulic lines, presumably to keep the blade from dropping. I had to rebuild one of the cylinders, maybe the control valve needs rebuilding too. Won't know until I get the blade back on and hooked up again.

Did notice that one of the rear rollers was loose. I mean wobbly loose, so I figured I'd better change that out. The tracks had no slack. I thought that was a bit odd. Anyway, I freed up one of the track adjusters (took an insane amount of heat with a rosebud, but it came loose) got the crawler up on a couple of 6x6s to get access to the rollers and found a) the rear roller had no bearing, at all, b) the other 3 rollers were also bad and c) the reason the tracks were tight was to try to keep them on the machine since the rollers weren't doing anything to keep them in line.

The rollers came off without too much trouble. Only broke 1 bolt (on the inside of the roller frame, of course). That was was stuck but good. After the roller was off, I heated the bolt and the frame and tried to twist it off - no luck. Finally, before I sheared the bolt off flush, I tried the trick of welding a nut to it and, son of a gun, if it didn't work. Got all 4 new rollers back on and there's actually clearance between the rollers and the pins. Only thing left is to readjust the track to the correct tension. Ran out of daylight today. Seeing this mess, I guess I'm going to have to do the other side as well. So much for just replacing one roller and getting back to work.

One question - the old rollers had a grease fitting of some sort (not that it was ever used much), but the new rollers have plugs. These are used Cat rollers I picked up a couple of years ago. Are they lubed for life?
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 9:29 AM
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Paul - Both diesel and kerosene are solvents, but kerosene is the product recommended by Cat for washing compartments. Yes, the rollers with a threaded plug in the end, with a 3/8 square hole, are lubed-for-life rollers. They take engine oil .. and the oil level should be level with the threads, when the plug is removed, with the tractor on a level surface.
You might try adjusting the valve clearances to see if the "leaky valve" clears up. It's surprising how a valve lash adjustment can often improve performance. Not many people do regular 1000 hr valve lash adjustments as recommended, but the clearances do alter with wear.
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:30 PM
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Paul - Both diesel and kerosene are solvents, but kerosene is the product recommended by Cat for washing compartments. Yes, the rollers with a threaded plug in the end, with a 3/8 square hole, are lubed-for-life rollers. They take engine oil .. and the oil level should be level with the threads, when the plug is removed, with the tractor on a level surface.
You might try adjusting the valve clearances to see if the "leaky valve" clears up. It's surprising how a valve lash adjustment can often improve performance. Not many people do regular 1000 hr valve lash adjustments as recommended, but the clearances do alter with wear.
Thanks OzDozer, I'll look at the valve lash.

Had a break in the rain today, so got the track tensioned properly . One side looks good now. The adjuster works easily now, I was able to work it using only hand effort on the wrenches. Took the screen off the radiator and cleaned out the 1/2 inch of caked dirt and mud that filled the bottom half of the radiator.

And, since the rain was still holding off, I started work on the other side. Had to cut off some crap that had been welded in as a dirt shield over the recoil spring and track adjuster. That's when I got another surprise. There must have been a problem with the adjuster at one point because there is now a solid piece of angle welded on to the recoil spring plate bearing against the idler yoke. I can't really see under there, but it feels like there's a bad weld between the adjuster nut and the screw - maybe it broke at one time? There's also another 3/4 bolt welded onto the recoil plate with a tube and nut arrangement. Looks like that was used to push the idler back until they could pound in the piece of angle and get that welded in. Ech.

On the bright side, it will be easy to get off, I'll just have to cut all that crap out of there. I'm going to need a replacement adjuster nut and screw though, but it looks like the idler yoke is salvageable. After that's fixed, I'll be able to look at the rollers. That'll take another week.

Dang. After looking at the parts book, looks like the recoil spring bolts will need replacing (both sides, on the side I worked on, it was coming out of the recoil spring when it was loose - I thought it was just a pilot in there). Is there any tension on the guides if the bolt is broken? The service book says to split the track, but I can't see the reason if the track is loose. On the one side, I'm thinking I can compress the spring a bit to unload the idler, cut the mess out and then let out the spring. As long as there's no tension on the spring, it should be safe to come out with the track on. Anyone done anything like this?
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:15 AM
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Thanks OzDozer, I'll look at the valve lash.

Had a break in the rain today, so got the track tensioned properly . One side looks good now. The adjuster works easily now, I was able to work it using only hand effort on the wrenches. Took the screen off the radiator and cleaned out the 1/2 inch of caked dirt and mud that filled the bottom half of the radiator.

And, since the rain was still holding off, I started work on the other side. Had to cut off some crap that had been welded in as a dirt shield over the recoil spring and track adjuster. That's when I got another surprise. There must have been a problem with the adjuster at one point because there is now a solid piece of angle welded on to the recoil spring plate bearing against the idler yoke. I can't really see under there, but it feels like there's a bad weld between the adjuster nut and the screw - maybe it broke at one time? There's also another 3/4 bolt welded onto the recoil plate with a tube and nut arrangement. Looks like that was used to push the idler back until they could pound in the piece of angle and get that welded in. Ech.

On the bright side, it will be easy to get off, I'll just have to cut all that crap out of there. I'm going to need a replacement adjuster nut and screw though, but it looks like the idler yoke is salvageable. After that's fixed, I'll be able to look at the rollers. That'll take another week.

Dang. After looking at the parts book, looks like the recoil spring bolts will need replacing (both sides, on the side I worked on, it was coming out of the recoil spring when it was loose - I thought it was just a pilot in there). Is there any tension on the guides if the bolt is broken? The service book says to split the track, but I can't see the reason if the track is loose. On the one side, I'm thinking I can compress the spring a bit to unload the idler, cut the mess out and then let out the spring. As long as there's no tension on the spring, it should be safe to come out with the track on. Anyone done anything like this?
hello paul! on my d4 somebody did the same thing to my track tensioners!
angle iron the whole bit, must have been a quick fixx. i checked on the tensioners from CAT but wow they are exspensive, i bought the nuts and am going to have machinest make the tensioner rods. and i was also wondering about sneeking the springs out without splitting the tracks. that master pin is a tough one to get out!
also my machine is huffing like it had leaking exhuast valve, and did not run smooth, i put new injectors in it, and it was better but not right yet, i noticed i had compression in the cooling system.
from there wiht the help of this site i found #2 pre-combustion chamber steel sealing ring rusted and gone! believe it or not no coolant in the oil!
the other symptom was huffing a mix of white and blue smoke. when i examined the chamber i could see a black ring around the chamber just above the sealing surface where compression was leaking by. my machine had sat for several years as well. adjusting the valves as stated by another member is always a good idea. good luck keep me posted on the track tensioner dilema, if you get them out with out splitting the tracks.
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:34 AM
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hello paul! on my d4 somebody did the same thing to my track tensioners!
angle iron the whole bit, must have been a quick fixx. i checked on the tensioners from CAT but wow they are exspensive, i bought the nuts and am going to have machinest make the tensioner rods. and i was also wondering about sneeking the springs out without splitting the tracks. that master pin is a tough one to get out!
also my machine is huffing like it had leaking exhuast valve, and did not run smooth, i put new injectors in it, and it was better but not right yet, i noticed i had compression in the cooling system.
from there wiht the help of this site i found #2 pre-combustion chamber steel sealing ring rusted and gone! believe it or not no coolant in the oil!
the other symptom was huffing a mix of white and blue smoke. when i examined the chamber i could see a black ring around the chamber just above the sealing surface where compression was leaking by. my machine had sat for several years as well. adjusting the valves as stated by another member is always a good idea. good luck keep me posted on the track tensioner dilema, if you get them out with out splitting the tracks.
Did you guys try after market for the track adjusters. Regal used to have them and they were pretty cheap....I stocked up😊 😊
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:45 AM
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Did you guys try after market for the track adjusters. Regal used to have them and they were pretty cheap....I stocked up😊 😊
I'm going to start calling tomorrow to find parts. Guess I'll try Regal first.

wibbdog, I think our Cats are twins, or least from the same litter. I also have a little coolant leak, but I haven't found it yet. There's no bubbles in the coolant when it's running, there's no coolant in the oil, or the trans, but it drops when the tractor sits. And I don't see anything leaking anywhere. Maybe something will show up now that I've powerwashed all the crud and dirt off.

Nobody wants to talk about recoil springs. Can't say I blame em, I hate working around springs. Too many ways to get hurt or killed. Anyway, I thought of a way to safely check if there's any tension on the guide rods, so I'll see if the weather cooperates tomorrow
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM
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I'm going to start calling tomorrow to find parts. Guess I'll try Regal first.

wibbdog, I think our Cats are twins, or least from the same litter. I also have a little coolant leak, but I haven't found it yet. There's no bubbles in the coolant when it's running, there's no coolant in the oil, or the trans, but it drops when the tractor sits. And I don't see anything leaking anywhere. Maybe something will show up now that I've powerwashed all the crud and dirt off.

Nobody wants to talk about recoil springs. Can't say I blame em, I hate working around springs. Too many ways to get hurt or killed. Anyway, I thought of a way to safely check if there's any tension on the guide rods, so I'll see if the weather cooperates tomorrow
Try a "search" of the archives (if they work). The spring topic has been talked to death....really nothing more to say.
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 10:43 AM
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Try a "search" of the archives (if they work). The spring topic has been talked to death....really nothing more to say.
Yeah, I tried that first. 'recoil spring' only brings up 19 hits, including this thread.
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Mon, Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM
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Yeah, I tried that first. 'recoil spring' only brings up 19 hits, including this thread.
Further investigation showed that, indeed, both recoil springs are broken. On the track I worked on, the spring is up against the guides. On the other side , the spring is keeping the track tensioned. If I replace the spring bolts, I'm going to have to split the tracks to take out a link or two since the rails are in such bad shape. Given that, I decided to just punt for the year and put it away. If I have to split the tracks, I'll put on the replacement set I have on my parts machine, which also means new sprocket rings. That's a bit too involved for this time of year in Michigan. Guess I'll be grading in the spring instead.

I did take the blade off the parts machine and move it around a bit to keep the tracks free. Then I rolled it onto some boards to keep the tracks off the ground. Once I find a tarp, I'll
be done. Then I can think about how to attack this, looks like a giant pain to say the least.
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