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Wierd looking oil?? Ideas??

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1941D4DOZERBOY
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So I have a 1941 cat d4 dozer.... oil is looking funny and has a weird smell (almost like transmission/hydraulic fluid) and looks grey or could be foamy but not totally sure.. coolant level in radiator is full. Its been cold here 10-20 degrees in the mornings. What else could this be? what does diesel fuel do to oil? Any thoughts?? Heres a picture. If it is fuel where could it be coming from? injector pump to filter housing gasket? Thanks!
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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 1:02 PM
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Definitely some sort of contamination to change color that much. New oil usually has a slight amber tint to it. Looks like water in the oil to give it that color. If you have a leaky head gasket you might see some white smoke from the exhaust. Diesel in the oil wont change the color much but will thin it down noticeably and raise the oil level in the engine.
With that much color change I would change the oil and watch for color change, oil level change and water level changes. How long since the oil was changed?

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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 2:47 PM
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Definitely some sort of contamination to change color that much. New oil usually has a slight amber tint to it. Looks like water in the oil to give it that color. If you have a leaky head gasket you might see some white smoke from the exhaust. Diesel in the oil wont change the color much but will thin it down noticeably and raise the oil level in the engine.
With that much color change I would change the oil and watch for color change, oil level change and water level changes. How long since the oil was changed?
Condensation from the cold nights and warm days?
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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 7:26 PM
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Condensation from the cold nights and warm days?
Looks like water to me.
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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 8:23 PM
1941D4DOZERBOY
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Looks like water to me.
looks like water to me too, kinda scary... coolant is full though you'd think it would be low. hasn't been ran for a few months. looks like oil change. I might just leave the oil plug out till I need to run it and see if any coolant drains out....
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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 9:43 PM
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Reply to 1941D4DOZERBOY:
looks like water to me too, kinda scary... coolant is full though you'd think it would be low. hasn't been ran for a few months. looks like oil change. I might just leave the oil plug out till I need to run it and see if any coolant drains out....
Crawl under it - unscrew the drain plug SLOWLY - it should begin to leak, water will be the first to appear IF you have not stirred things up by running the engine.

Would take a lot of condensation to make that much water in the oil. Did it have anti-freeze at sufficient strength for conditions?

Dad had a 9G D7 with starting engine putting water into its crankcase - cracks in waterjacket - does not take much water to make oil very "milky".

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Thu, Feb 20, 2020 10:14 PM
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Crawl under it - unscrew the drain plug SLOWLY - it should begin to leak, water will be the first to appear IF you have not stirred things up by running the engine.

Would take a lot of condensation to make that much water in the oil. Did it have anti-freeze at sufficient strength for conditions?

Dad had a 9G D7 with starting engine putting water into its crankcase - cracks in waterjacket - does not take much water to make oil very "milky".

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The company I used to work for ran ATF in hyd. systems ,they said it didn't get as thick as hyd. oil in cold weather. someone may have used it to thin the oil.
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Fri, Feb 21, 2020 4:12 AM
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The company I used to work for ran ATF in hyd. systems ,they said it didn't get as thick as hyd. oil in cold weather. someone may have used it to thin the oil.
Does the tractor have a hood?, over the engine?
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Fri, Feb 21, 2020 4:29 AM
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Crawl under it - unscrew the drain plug SLOWLY - it should begin to leak, water will be the first to appear IF you have not stirred things up by running the engine.

Would take a lot of condensation to make that much water in the oil. Did it have anti-freeze at sufficient strength for conditions?

Dad had a 9G D7 with starting engine putting water into its crankcase - cracks in waterjacket - does not take much water to make oil very "milky".

CTS
[quote="ctsnowfighter"]Crawl under it - unscrew the drain plug SLOWLY - it should begin to leak, water will be the first to appear IF you have not stirred things up by running the engine.

Would take a lot of condensation to make that much water in the oil. Did it have anti-freeze at sufficient strength for conditions?

Dad had a 9G D7 with starting engine putting water into its crankcase - cracks in waterjacket - does not take much water to make oil very "milky".

CTS[/quote]

It also doesn't take a real long time of sitting for the water to separate to the bottom. I had a D2 that had an internal coolant leak and I would drain the coolant off the bottom of the pan using the drain plug until fresh oil came out if I had to run it at all before I repaired it. Coolant can eat up bearings in a short time.

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Fri, Feb 21, 2020 6:16 AM
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[quote="ctsnowfighter"]Crawl under it - unscrew the drain plug SLOWLY - it should begin to leak, water will be the first to appear IF you have not stirred things up by running the engine.

Would take a lot of condensation to make that much water in the oil. Did it have anti-freeze at sufficient strength for conditions?

Dad had a 9G D7 with starting engine putting water into its crankcase - cracks in waterjacket - does not take much water to make oil very "milky".

CTS[/quote]

It also doesn't take a real long time of sitting for the water to separate to the bottom. I had a D2 that had an internal coolant leak and I would drain the coolant off the bottom of the pan using the drain plug until fresh oil came out if I had to run it at all before I repaired it. Coolant can eat up bearings in a short time.

Jordan
yep, drained the oil today... found water. wasn't a lot but enough to cause problems. looks like I have problems ahead of me... grrr
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Sat, Feb 22, 2020 10:44 AM
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yep, drained the oil today... found water. wasn't a lot but enough to cause problems. looks like I have problems ahead of me... grrr


What i did to troubleshoot mine was drain the oil, fill radiator with coolant, drill a sacrificial radiator cap to accept a pipe fitting to adapt an air Chuck and pressurised the system to 5-10 psi and look for internal leaks through the pan with an endoscope. In my case was failed liner o-ring, which when I removed sleeve was actually a cracked block.

If you're cheap or not in position to repair you could dump some DIKE sealant in the coolant and see if that stops it, some guys have had success with that stuff.
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