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Inter674
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Questions for ACMOCers: Why does a D4 7U (30A in my case) have 5 gears when my 30A struggles to move on level ground in 3rd, and will only hit 4th down hill and 5th when going down a very steep hill, which is pretty much suicide or am I missing something here?

My 30A so far as I can tell has the standard gearbox etc, and even in 1st it moves quite quickly.

Is this normal, or to put it another way, what is normal for these machines? Let's assume flat ground, no load, what gear would you expect to be using to travel?

I showed a vid of the 30A working to our local Catspert and he said that we have the agricultural gearbox fitted - but I don't think Dave is correct as the GB internals are exactly the same as the other two gearboxes I have here from donor machines one of which is some 10 years older.

Any thoughts?
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Wed, Aug 21, 2013 11:30 AM
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First Cat I ever owned was a D4-7U ,43xxx series and it had 4 speed forward 2 reverse box and I recall it was an optional extra , 4th gear was fairly quick and I never Drove it at full revs unless pushed for Time .
Going Corryong next Month ? at least 3 of us are Planning on Coming down from Qld and give Wombat some support . for Proposed Chapter . LJ
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Wed, Aug 21, 2013 12:22 PM
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First Cat I ever owned was a D4-7U ,43xxx series and it had 4 speed forward 2 reverse box and I recall it was an optional extra , 4th gear was fairly quick and I never Drove it at full revs unless pushed for Time .
Going Corryong next Month ? at least 3 of us are Planning on Coming down from Qld and give Wombat some support . for Proposed Chapter . LJ
yeah maybe - depends on the missus and the remaining at home teenager's demands/plans for that weekend though. But I would love to be there and check out all the Cats.......
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Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:06 PM
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yeah maybe - depends on the missus and the remaining at home teenager's demands/plans for that weekend though. But I would love to be there and check out all the Cats.......
Hi, Inter674.
I can't say about the 4G or 7J series D4's but all the later D4's that I have run had five forward speeds and would quite happily travel in 5th - - - at least until you wanted to pull a bogged loaded truck uphill. LOL. Mind you, as Lance said, full throttle in the long cog was only if you were in a serious hurry - like trying to outrun a bushfire - - - - or if you REALLY wanted to pay for a new set of track chains in the near future.

Way back in my mis-spent youth, I worked on a wheat and sheep farm in W.A. where there was a 2T series D4, 36 hp, and I used to pull 2 x 14-disc Sundercut plows in tandem in 4th quite a bit, down to 3rd when the going got a bit heavy. I could pull them lifted out of the ground in 5th put not in the ground. LOL.

Having said that though, 2 x 18disc Chamberlain plows in tandem slowed it down a bit. How-wevver, I suspect that the two 'slightly' different tandem set-ups might have had something to do with that too. The 2 x Sundercuts were hooked together via a drawbar welded to the back of the front one and they pulled pretty light. The 2 x Chamberlains were coupled up with a bridle and beam set-up and seemed to pull somewhat heavier than I thought the 8 extra discs ought to have pulled. But what would I have known at 19 years old?

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:54 PM
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Hi, Inter674.
I can't say about the 4G or 7J series D4's but all the later D4's that I have run had five forward speeds and would quite happily travel in 5th - - - at least until you wanted to pull a bogged loaded truck uphill. LOL. Mind you, as Lance said, full throttle in the long cog was only if you were in a serious hurry - like trying to outrun a bushfire - - - - or if you REALLY wanted to pay for a new set of track chains in the near future.

Way back in my mis-spent youth, I worked on a wheat and sheep farm in W.A. where there was a 2T series D4, 36 hp, and I used to pull 2 x 14-disc Sundercut plows in tandem in 4th quite a bit, down to 3rd when the going got a bit heavy. I could pull them lifted out of the ground in 5th put not in the ground. LOL.

Having said that though, 2 x 18disc Chamberlain plows in tandem slowed it down a bit. How-wevver, I suspect that the two 'slightly' different tandem set-ups might have had something to do with that too. The 2 x Sundercuts were hooked together via a drawbar welded to the back of the front one and they pulled pretty light. The 2 x Chamberlains were coupled up with a bridle and beam set-up and seemed to pull somewhat heavier than I thought the 8 extra discs ought to have pulled. But what would I have known at 19 years old?

Just my 0.02.
It's quite common to see the 4th and 5th gear shifter plate blocked out (welded) to keep cowboys in check.
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:42 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
It's quite common to see the 4th and 5th gear shifter plate blocked out (welded) to keep cowboys in check.
Sounds like you have governor trouble or a tired engine. You could get the trans gear arrangement either way with two speed reverse for construction work or single reverse for ag work I like the five speed for ag work because of the gear range and more gears for pulling diff tools, the two speed reverse trans is good for tough dozing with a low speed first gear and also going from high reverse to second gear for faster grading work.
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:54 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
It's quite common to see the 4th and 5th gear shifter plate blocked out (welded) to keep cowboys in check.
My D2 5U13247 has a 5 speed box in it. I very rarely use anything higher then 3rd, not have a large enough area cleared to get it much higher.

Kevin
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:56 AM
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My D2 5U13247 has a 5 speed box in it. I very rarely use anything higher then 3rd, not have a large enough area cleared to get it much higher.

Kevin
Hi Team,
be aware that by the Rack Charts the early U tractors were rated at 1400 Rpm Full Load Speed and later ones were 1600 Rpm F.L.Speed
Correspondingly the Horse Power went from 51 to 58 and then 60.5 by the end of my Chart range.
This then took advertised travel speeds (that I found in Sales [1947] and Parts literature[3-1952]) in MPH from / to,
1st 1.7 to 1.9
2nd 2.4 to 2.7
3rd 3.0 to 3.4
4th 3.7 to 4.2
5th 5.4 to 6.1
Rev 1.9 to 2.2
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:26 AM
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Hi Team,
be aware that by the Rack Charts the early U tractors were rated at 1400 Rpm Full Load Speed and later ones were 1600 Rpm F.L.Speed
Correspondingly the Horse Power went from 51 to 58 and then 60.5 by the end of my Chart range.
This then took advertised travel speeds (that I found in Sales [1947] and Parts literature[3-1952]) in MPH from / to,
1st 1.7 to 1.9
2nd 2.4 to 2.7
3rd 3.0 to 3.4
4th 3.7 to 4.2
5th 5.4 to 6.1
Rev 1.9 to 2.2
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Great info guys

I will see if I can track the speed using the GPS and compare it to the spec sheet.

But currently it is too fast for us on steep ground where it can get a bit hairy at times😊

Also, I agree that the governor probably needs looking at as it does not seem to want to hunker down and puff smoke readily - but the engine is reconditioned - new rings, bearings etc.

Video of the D4 in 1st gear, but not at full throttle - perhaps at 3/4 throttle only.

http://s71.photobucket.com/user/Inter674/media/D4Vid.mp4.html
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:24 AM
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Reply to Inter674:
Great info guys

I will see if I can track the speed using the GPS and compare it to the spec sheet.

But currently it is too fast for us on steep ground where it can get a bit hairy at times😊

Also, I agree that the governor probably needs looking at as it does not seem to want to hunker down and puff smoke readily - but the engine is reconditioned - new rings, bearings etc.

Video of the D4 in 1st gear, but not at full throttle - perhaps at 3/4 throttle only.

http://s71.photobucket.com/user/Inter674/media/D4Vid.mp4.html
As far as puffing smoke under load, my current D4 7U won't either, barely a bit of a slight (almost unseen) haze under heavy load. The only time there's even a hint of a puff of black smoke is if I open the throttle all the way suddenly under load. Most work I do is done at half throttle or maybe a bit above that.

While it will clatter along happily in 5th on snow, I rarely use that gear and only at about half or less throttle.
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Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:24 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
As far as puffing smoke under load, my current D4 7U won't either, barely a bit of a slight (almost unseen) haze under heavy load. The only time there's even a hint of a puff of black smoke is if I open the throttle all the way suddenly under load. Most work I do is done at half throttle or maybe a bit above that.

While it will clatter along happily in 5th on snow, I rarely use that gear and only at about half or less throttle.
The Mighty D4 liners are a little rough and it uses oil. My buddy turned the pump up 15% and it really pulls strong now. Toward the end of the video you can see Dan putting a load on it and she starts puffing the smoke out.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=c4-overview&list=UUaD3qYflKm7V1L4gjmzmu6w&v=GnMdmPFApKA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGnMdmPFApKA%26feature%3Dc4-overview%26list%3DUUaD3qYflKm7V1L4gjmzmu6w
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