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Dan Pratt
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I have two 22s, and a D4D and now a "new" 5J D2. A question I have had from way back is why did they switch over to a hand operated clutch, especially for machines with a factory dozer?

I learned to drive a crawler with the 22 which as you know has a foot clutch. The 22 is a very nimble machine because of this. When you have live hydraulics, you need one hand on the blade control, the other on the right or left steering, one foot on the clutch, and one on the right or left brake. This way you can doze/grade while turning/starting/stopping. Reversing direction for an experienced 22 operator is almost instantaneous because the foot clutch allows the hand free to shift, and the related mechanism is so simple.

Then I bought the D4 and had to learn how best to drive with the hand clutch and fumble with the blade controls. It was no where near as smooth or precise, or safe for that matter. Once you are moving though it is no difference unless you need to turn!

I know now it is not an issue with a modern crawler. I have NOT driven one of those as I prefer to use the classic machines at this point (hobby).

Does anyone have the official history here on this decision? My guess is that these early machines made to just pull long hauls in the farmer's field, and not much reversing, but a foot clutch can do that still..... I know some government spec R5s had foot clutches.

Dan
Dan22 - 1936 22 Narrow, 1937 22 Wide, D2 5J, D4D
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:37 AM
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Well to start with Holt and Best used hand cluches. Hand cluches are adjustable when plate wears a little and clutch slips you undo a lock of some sort a bolt or ping ,turn it a bit and clutch is tight again and 22 has spring presureplate that only has ajustment for the linkage.
I beleave they only used the foot clutch on the 2ton,10,15.little15,little20 and the 22
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 10:05 AM
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Well to start with Holt and Best used hand cluches. Hand cluches are adjustable when plate wears a little and clutch slips you undo a lock of some sort a bolt or ping ,turn it a bit and clutch is tight again and 22 has spring presureplate that only has ajustment for the linkage.
I beleave they only used the foot clutch on the 2ton,10,15.little15,little20 and the 22
Dan most makes of direct drive track tractors have or had hand clutches.
The over centre heavy duty clutch needed for larger crawlers does not lend it's self to a foot operated clutches mainly because they have to lock in "over centre" yr'd have a pretty worn out leg eh !!!
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:06 PM
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Reply to Gordon.:
Dan most makes of direct drive track tractors have or had hand clutches.
The over centre heavy duty clutch needed for larger crawlers does not lend it's self to a foot operated clutches mainly because they have to lock in "over centre" yr'd have a pretty worn out leg eh !!!
Regards Gordon.
I don't know the origins of the hand clutch but I suspect Cat copied the design from someone else like many of their "innovations" or they were acquired through purchase of other manufacturers. I don't know all the brands but Cletrac had double plate spring loaded foot or assisted foot clutches from the beginning.

The Cat's aren't all hand clutch, the grader's and the DW 10's were foot operated double disc spring loaded clutches.
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:40 PM
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Reply to Gordon.:
Dan most makes of direct drive track tractors have or had hand clutches.
The over centre heavy duty clutch needed for larger crawlers does not lend it's self to a foot operated clutches mainly because they have to lock in "over centre" yr'd have a pretty worn out leg eh !!!
Regards Gordon.
I don't know the origins of the hand clutch but I suspect Cat copied the design from someone else like many of their "innovations" or they were acquired through purchase of other manufacturers. I don't know all the brands but Cletrac had double plate spring loaded foot or assisted foot clutches from the beginning.

The Cat's aren't all hand clutch, the grader's and the DW 10's were foot operated double disc spring loaded clutches.
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:48 PM
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I don't know the origins of the hand clutch but I suspect Cat copied the design from someone else like many of their "innovations" or they were acquired through purchase of other manufacturers. I don't know all the brands but Cletrac had double plate spring loaded foot or assisted foot clutches from the beginning.

The Cat's aren't all hand clutch, the grader's and the DW 10's were foot operated double disc spring loaded clutches.
Adding to Gordon's observation. The heavy over center push/pull clutch engagement is the key. Unlike one's arm, our foot only pushes one way, not pulls. Plus, the mechanical advantage of one's arm is that it has over a two foot throw on the long clutch lever. One's foot on a pedal, has only about half the travel of the arm on the clutch lever, which makes the foot only about as powerful as the arm, "one way". When I first installed my new clutch plate in my D4 7U, it took two arms to pull the clutch lever over center. I only use my left arm now, as nowI have a stonger left arm. 😄
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 10:34 PM
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Adding to Gordon's observation. The heavy over center push/pull clutch engagement is the key. Unlike one's arm, our foot only pushes one way, not pulls. Plus, the mechanical advantage of one's arm is that it has over a two foot throw on the long clutch lever. One's foot on a pedal, has only about half the travel of the arm on the clutch lever, which makes the foot only about as powerful as the arm, "one way". When I first installed my new clutch plate in my D4 7U, it took two arms to pull the clutch lever over center. I only use my left arm now, as nowI have a stonger left arm. 😄
It always seems the most interesting going to an old john deere where you have to push the lever with your right hand to engage instead of pulling with your left.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:12 AM
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Reply to 15sp4250:
It always seems the most interesting going to an old john deere where you have to push the lever with your right hand to engage instead of pulling with your left.
Hi, 15sp4250.
Fiat was another one that got it bass ackwards. You had to push the clutch lever forward to engage it but at least they had it under the LEFT hand.

Some IH TD24's came out with a foot clutch. I don't think that version was kept in production very long.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:45 PM
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Hi, 15sp4250.
Fiat was another one that got it bass ackwards. You had to push the clutch lever forward to engage it but at least they had it under the LEFT hand.

Some IH TD24's came out with a foot clutch. I don't think that version was kept in production very long.
Heavy-duty foot clutches take a lot of pressure to release. A 7520 4WD John Deere uses a hydraulic booster on the clutch pedal, & you CANNOT push it down w/the engine not running. Sort of a Catch-22 when the trans. is locked in gear...
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Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:52 PM
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Hi, 15sp4250.
Fiat was another one that got it bass ackwards. You had to push the clutch lever forward to engage it but at least they had it under the LEFT hand.

Some IH TD24's came out with a foot clutch. I don't think that version was kept in production very long.
Toy Cats have foot clutches like a car .. Real Cats have hand clutches .. 😄
You haven't lived, until you've had to put in 12 solid hours on a Cat with a hand clutch, massively-sprung, non-power-assisted steering clutches, a transmission shifter, a FWD/REV lever, two CCU levers, a hyd blade lever, no muffler, no cab, choking dust, or freezing rain .. and then spent every 10 seconds out of every 20 seconds .. twisting your neck and body around, to check on what a trailing machine such as a Carryall is doing .. 😮
I can only marvel at those old guys who wielded TWO CCU's, and TWO Carryalls, along with most of the foregoing controls, and working conditions .. 🙄

[img]http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5162/carryallsd8j.th.jpg[/img]
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Thu, Sep 10, 2009 9:22 PM
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Toy Cats have foot clutches like a car .. Real Cats have hand clutches .. 😄
You haven't lived, until you've had to put in 12 solid hours on a Cat with a hand clutch, massively-sprung, non-power-assisted steering clutches, a transmission shifter, a FWD/REV lever, two CCU levers, a hyd blade lever, no muffler, no cab, choking dust, or freezing rain .. and then spent every 10 seconds out of every 20 seconds .. twisting your neck and body around, to check on what a trailing machine such as a Carryall is doing .. 😮
I can only marvel at those old guys who wielded TWO CCU's, and TWO Carryalls, along with most of the foregoing controls, and working conditions .. 🙄

[img]http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5162/carryallsd8j.th.jpg[/img]
When I was a kid my father had an orchard model 22 narrow that had what some people called a "suicide" clutch. You pulled it back with the left hand, put it in gear and then ease the clutch lever forward. It had a pretty heavy spring so you had to be careful not to let it snap forward. The reason for the "suicide" clutch name was because some people would be off the tractor and trying to back up to connect a disc. You can imagine how dangerous that was. Were there many 22's set up this way or was ours unique?
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Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:20 PM
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