ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
whoop's..two steps backward on D-4

whoop's..two steps backward on D-4

Showing 1 to 9 of 9 results
sidehill6600
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to sidehill6600
Posts: 55
Thank you received: 0
after having some sucess with my D-4 the other day, it didnt last long๐Ÿ˜ž Went out this morning to start it up so I could change oil in the motor, I first checked the oil in the pony..well it was about an inch above the full mark..wasnt that way two days ago.. I left the gas on cause I was coming back to it in a couple days...guess I must have a stuck float???. So I pulled the drain plug..drained out the oil..refilled with 20w non-degterent..got the pony going, kick in the the diesel..no fuel pressure..I noticed the other day when I was running it that it didnt sound as smooth as the day I bought it..and that at idle the fuel pressure was dropping into the caution area. I had drained must of the crud out of the fuel tank, but guess I didnt get it all??..So I started at the fuel tank..reflushed - drained.. add about 5 gals of clean fuel...flushed the fuel line to the engine.. drained the fuel housing..changed out the filters..got the book out about how to prime the fuel system..but still a no go on fuel pressure..I am getting fuel out the two vents on fuel filter housing, but the fuel pressure is only moving up about 1/2 inch..still in the "out" range..and then to finished the day out...the pony motor quit..after I had been running it continously for about 5-10 minutes trying to get the fuel pressure up...no spark..could be a coil or condenser heating up I hope...I hadnt run it that long before..so after it cools down I will try again..๐Ÿ˜Š back to oil in the diesel...I notice when I bought it, that the crankcase was a couple inches above the full mark...I checked it when it was running the other day...same thing..and the way the oil runs off the dipstick, I'd say I am getting diesel fuel in the oil..from reading on here there is a o-ring between the fuel housing and injector pump that can leak fuel into the oil ??? So does my problem of no fuel pressure and fuel getting the motor oil related..anybody have any ideas on how to get my fuel pressure back..am I missing something..I think I probably plugged up something some where.. I had great fuel pressure until I ran that questionable fuel into the engine..๐Ÿ˜  kinda a tough day going backwards...I am off to the gym to whoop up on the treadmill...maybe I will feel better๐Ÿ˜„
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:10 AM
sidehill6600
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to sidehill6600
Posts: 55
Thank you received: 0
one step forward..after sitting for a couple hours the pony started back up..I guess I will try replacing the condenser..after doing a search on this forum I probably have my bypass valve full of junk from the bad fuel I fed it, so will check/clean that out...
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19 AM
Sasquatch
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Sasquatch
Posts: 1,238
Thank you received: 1
Reply to sidehill6600:
one step forward..after sitting for a couple hours the pony started back up..I guess I will try replacing the condenser..after doing a search on this forum I probably have my bypass valve full of junk from the bad fuel I fed it, so will check/clean that out...
One good piece of advice is to never leave the gas turned on to the pony, when the diesel starts shut the pony down by closing the fuel valve and let it burn the gas out of the carb until it quits, don't use the mag switch to shut it off. Those Zenith downdraft carbs are notorious for letting fuel leak into the crankcase, which can utterly destroy pony motors.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:06 AM
Oil Slick
Offline
Send a private message to Oil Slick
Posts: 1,702
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Sasquatch:
One good piece of advice is to never leave the gas turned on to the pony, when the diesel starts shut the pony down by closing the fuel valve and let it burn the gas out of the carb until it quits, don't use the mag switch to shut it off. Those Zenith downdraft carbs are notorious for letting fuel leak into the crankcase, which can utterly destroy pony motors.
Welcome to the wonderful world of antique machinery ๐Ÿ˜„

My D4 had a similar fuel problem and it plugged up right at the fuel transfer pump. I simply removed the fuel line going into the pump and flushed all the crap out using the little red tube and a can of cleaner, any will do. Problem solved.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:42 AM
carlsharp
Offline
Send a private message to carlsharp
Posts: 270
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Oil Slick:
Welcome to the wonderful world of antique machinery ๐Ÿ˜„

My D4 had a similar fuel problem and it plugged up right at the fuel transfer pump. I simply removed the fuel line going into the pump and flushed all the crap out using the little red tube and a can of cleaner, any will do. Problem solved.
Sorry to call u out Mike, but the problem was not solved as I had to do it again a week later....

๐Ÿ˜Š
CS
Carl Sharp
Chino, CA
-------------
2xPV15; 22 2F; D4 5T
Various other oddball stuff
Vids: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=carl4043
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:10 PM
ol Grump
Offline
Send a private message to ol Grump
Posts: 1,077
Thank you received: 0
Reply to carlsharp:
Sorry to call u out Mike, but the problem was not solved as I had to do it again a week later....

๐Ÿ˜Š
CS
sidehill,
Regarding the low fuel pressure, there's a bypass valve at the bottom of the filter tower that gets junk in it. Turn the fuel off at the tank and remove the valve and clean it. Sometimes you'll find the spring or rusted. Cat still has the poppet and spring. .I replaced 'em on one of my critters a year or so ago at a cost of around $25 or so as I recall. That solved the fuel pressure problem. There was some discussion a year or so ago so if you do a search on this forum for "fuel bypass valve", I think that will answer that question.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56 PM
Billy D7 4T
Offline
Send a private message to Billy D7 4T
Posts: 119
Thank you received: 0
I can attest to the gasoline leaking down, same thing happened on my D7, must have left the petcock open. filled it right up and almost out the dip stick tube, old rule of thumb, checking things out before operating certainly pays off, as it would have done in that starting engine. On this model I noticed a plug in the bottom of the bowl, so I put a brass petcock in there, with short hose, turn off the fuel petcock, and drain the bowl with the hose, takes awhile to use up the fuel in the bowl, this is a little quicker and knowing the bowl is dry, no residual trace of gas, can drain down and contaminate the oil, also good to keep that oil changed often.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02 PM
sidehill6600
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to sidehill6600
Posts: 55
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Billy D7 4T:
I can attest to the gasoline leaking down, same thing happened on my D7, must have left the petcock open. filled it right up and almost out the dip stick tube, old rule of thumb, checking things out before operating certainly pays off, as it would have done in that starting engine. On this model I noticed a plug in the bottom of the bowl, so I put a brass petcock in there, with short hose, turn off the fuel petcock, and drain the bowl with the hose, takes awhile to use up the fuel in the bowl, this is a little quicker and knowing the bowl is dry, no residual trace of gas, can drain down and contaminate the oil, also good to keep that oil changed often.
thank you all for the helpful ideas...๐Ÿ˜Š
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:08 PM
Arthropod
Offline
Send a private message to Arthropod
Posts: 302
Thank you received: 0
Reply to ol Grump:
sidehill,
Regarding the low fuel pressure, there's a bypass valve at the bottom of the filter tower that gets junk in it. Turn the fuel off at the tank and remove the valve and clean it. Sometimes you'll find the spring or rusted. Cat still has the poppet and spring. .I replaced 'em on one of my critters a year or so ago at a cost of around $25 or so as I recall. That solved the fuel pressure problem. There was some discussion a year or so ago so if you do a search on this forum for "fuel bypass valve", I think that will answer that question.
I just rebuilt the transfer pump on two of my D2's. Same pump I think. I was getting fuel into the pump housing on one. The other had really low pressure and I had to do a lot to get the pressure back.

The way the pump is designed, you will know the outer seal has failed because fuel should run out of that drain line that comes out the back of the pump.

The posts above regarding the bypass valve are correct. That can get trash in it that causes it to leak fuel when it should not be bypassing, hence lowering the pressure. Clean out the junk and a quick fix is to pull the spring and make it longer, making it so more pressure is required to cause bypass. I guess this is a temporary fix since the spring must be losing its umph, but it does work to limit the bypass.

There are two seals in the transfer pump body that keep the fuel from getting to the injector housing. I bought parts from CAT to rebuild two pumps and it only cost about $20. You have to pull the drive gear off the shaft, remove the cup and then pry out the two seals. Not a very difficult repair. You have to be careful installing the new seals. It seemed a little tricky to me getting everything back in place and then pressing the gear back on. Needed three arms to hold everything.

On one of my pumps the outer plate was very scarred. I took my mill and milled the face to remove all the marks that were obviously made by the pump gears. I had to do a little hand scrape clean up of the surface and then the pump worked much better.

Regarding your no spark issue with the pony. I had a pony with the exact symptom and it was a bad coil. Spark when cold, none when motor was hot.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:22 PM
Oil Slick
Offline
Send a private message to Oil Slick
Posts: 1,702
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Arthropod:
I just rebuilt the transfer pump on two of my D2's. Same pump I think. I was getting fuel into the pump housing on one. The other had really low pressure and I had to do a lot to get the pressure back.

The way the pump is designed, you will know the outer seal has failed because fuel should run out of that drain line that comes out the back of the pump.

The posts above regarding the bypass valve are correct. That can get trash in it that causes it to leak fuel when it should not be bypassing, hence lowering the pressure. Clean out the junk and a quick fix is to pull the spring and make it longer, making it so more pressure is required to cause bypass. I guess this is a temporary fix since the spring must be losing its umph, but it does work to limit the bypass.

There are two seals in the transfer pump body that keep the fuel from getting to the injector housing. I bought parts from CAT to rebuild two pumps and it only cost about $20. You have to pull the drive gear off the shaft, remove the cup and then pry out the two seals. Not a very difficult repair. You have to be careful installing the new seals. It seemed a little tricky to me getting everything back in place and then pressing the gear back on. Needed three arms to hold everything.

On one of my pumps the outer plate was very scarred. I took my mill and milled the face to remove all the marks that were obviously made by the pump gears. I had to do a little hand scrape clean up of the surface and then the pump worked much better.

Regarding your no spark issue with the pony. I had a pony with the exact symptom and it was a bad coil. Spark when cold, none when motor was hot.
CS, after the mighty D4 quit running on you, what did you do to get it fired back up? Hmmm LoL

So far it hasn't plugged up again but I keep draining the tank.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Fri, Jan 23, 2009 8:52 AM
Showing 1 to 9 of 9 results
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Earlcoate Charity Open Day

Chapter Two

| Folds Farm, Godshillwood, Fordingbridge, Hampshire, SP6 2LU, UK

The Century of Caterpillar

| Elkader, 203 Johnson St, Elkader, IA 52043, USA

Clarendon Classic

Chapter Twenty Nine

| Hawkesbury Showground, Racecourse Rd, Clarendin, NSW, Australia

Urana Vintage Machinery Club Inc

Chapter Nineteen

| Victoria Park, Urana NSW
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!